Poll: Rookie of the Year (week 16) - Page 8

jsagan77 · 12-23-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

How is under 200 yards and a pick a near perfect game? Russ deserves it

#RUSSELWILSONEVERYTHING

You obviously watched the game... (sigh). The 1 pick hit Morgan in the chest and the ****** couldn't catch it and it tip drilled into the hands of a defender. For all the Colts supporters that act like people making arguments due to stats need context added to them sure don't like it when it benefits RG3.... Luck looked terrible today and might not have beat the Chiefs if not for their D.

Luck supporters have proven over and over again that they are incapable of being objective.

J-Mike88 · 12-23-2012, 03:54 PM

Luck definitely got the better of Brady Quinn today.

scottyboy · 12-23-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

You obviously watched the game... (sigh). The 1 pick hit Morgan in the chest and the ****** couldn't catch it and it tip drilled into the hands of a defender. For all the Colts supporters that act like people making arguments due to stats need context added to them sure don't like it when it benefits RG3.... Luck looked terrible today and might not have beat the Chiefs if not for their D.

Luck supporters have proven over and over again that they are incapable of being objective.

I'm not a "luck supporter" you just saying a qb played a near perfect game when he threw under 200 yards is laughable. And I watched the whole game. Bob looked off today. Not the game to come in here bragging about

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Luck definitely got the better of Brady Quinn today.

Just like how BG3 outplayed every single qb who played on the field by telepathically reincarnating as the invincible white guy Kirk Cousins while standing on the sideline last week.

J-Mike88 · 12-23-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Just like how BG3 outplayed every single qb who played on the field by telepathically reincarnating as the invincible white guy Kirk Cousins while standing on the sideline last week.

You act like that's an easy thing to do!
Not many people can do that.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-23-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Just like how BG3 outplayed every single qb who played on the field by telepathically reincarnating as the invincible white guy Kirk Cousins while standing on the sideline last week.

Please speak English.

Comment and discuss the TD pass to Santana Moss in the corner endzone.

EDIT: Please don't insert someone's race when it's not required.

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Re-read your post. Your dots aren't connecting.
Every argument I've made about RGIII has been primarily statistically based, not 'glamours-(the **** is that?

) and fireworks'.

And I don't count guys on SWDC as casual football fans.

If I'm a casual disinterested fan, what the hell is a real NFL fan??

You ask someone who doesn't follow either the Colts or the Skins and all they know about Luck are his team wins and breaking the rookie passing yardage record. His turnovers or completion percentage don't chart for most people.

The only thing worth even a slight mention in your post concerns "glamour".

I'm not sure how many years of schooling you received, but you ought to know that just because American English is spoken by more people, doesn't mean in any way it's more legitimate than English English. After all the name of English is called English, not Americano.

If you can't even understand glamour, do you have any idea what "manoeuvre" means?

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Please speak English.

Comment and discuss the TD pass to Santana Moss in the corner endzone.

EDIT: Please don't insert someone's race when it's not required.

A guy who doesn't even know English is giving a lecture on English lol.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-23-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

A guy who doesn't even know English is giving a lecture on English lol.

You're not American???
That explains a lot.

We Yanks don't use terms like 'glamours'. Does not compute.
Learn the local idiomatic expressions if you ever expect to effectively communicate on an American sports message board.

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

You're not American???
That explains a lot.

Thanks for heads-up, now I know Michael Bloomberg is a Mexican mayor -that amigo is doing a heck of a job; and some Americans still think the language they speak is American.

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

You're not American???
That explains a lot.

We Yanks don't use terms like 'glamours'. Does not compute.
Learn the local idiomatic expressions if you ever expect to effectively communicate on an American sports message board.

Oh sweetheart don't be mad. Some foreigners got your spot so you couldn't attend college?! I have avenged on your behalf so rest assured.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-23-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Thanks for heads-up, now I know Michael Bloomberg is a Mexican mayor -that amigo is doing a heck of a job; and some Americans still think the language they speak is American.

jsagan77 · 12-23-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Oh sweetheart don't be mad. Some foreigners got your spot so you couldn't attend college?! I have avenged on your behalf so rest assured.

Geezus :*

Let's keep it about the rookies... Who had the better game today RG3 or Luck?

And 38 posts with 91+ k rep... Double/triple/quadruple account FTW?

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

Geezus :*

Let's keep it about the rookies... Who had the better game today RG3 or Luck?

And 38 posts with 91+ k rep... Double/triple/quadruple account FTW?

What can I say, guess the quality of posts matters somewhat after all.

Nonetheless, your malicious hypothesis still somehow sounds flattering to my ears though. So thank you for the compliment from the bottom of my heart!

MaxV · 12-23-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

Maybe the thing that truly seperates Luck and RG3 is coaching?

I think this is the smartest statement in this entire thread.

Colts system is WAY too vertical. They average the most yards per pass attempt and don't utilize their RBs in the passing game.

Call me a homer, but I honestly think that if the coaches would just try to run a balanced and more conservative system, Luck would take it.

SolidGold · 12-23-2012, 05:13 PM

I am giving my vote to Luck. He got the Colts to 10 wins. Cousins is responsible for 2 of the Redskins victories this season. Cousins performance last week vs the Browns also makes me wonder if its more the system in Washington. Who is to say the Redskins wouldn't be in almost the same position if Cousins was starting all season.

The Redskins went out last offseason and picked up some free agents to begin building a team for Griffin. Luck's primary weapon all season has been Reggie Wayne. Griffin has a running back that could make his own case for OROTY. Griffin was put in a much better situation than Luck. For Luck to take a 2-14 team and lead them to 10 wins is a very impressive feat.

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxV

I think this is the smartest statement in this entire thread.

Colts system is WAY too vertical. They average the most yards per pass attempt and don't utilize their RBs in the passing game.

Call me a homer, but I honestly think that if the coaches would just try to run a balanced and more conservative system, Luck would take it.

I don't think it's exactly verticality that is presenting problems for colts, but how exactly verticality is manifested - for instance the heavy lean toward isolated trips formation to one side instead of true spreads that seek to maximize field space utility. Every time Arians calls a one-sided WR look in obvious pass situations opposing defense almost always crowd the line and man-blitz. In those situations the OL hasn't been reacting very properly.

jsagan77 · 12-23-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

I am giving my vote to Luck. He got the Colts to 10 wins. Cousins is responsible for 2 of the Redskins victories this season. Cousins performance last week vs the Browns also makes me wonder if its more the system in Washington. Who is to say the Redskins wouldn't be in almost the same position if Cousins was starting all season.

The Redskins went out last offseason and picked up some free agents to begin building a team for Griffin. Luck's primary weapon all season has been Reggie Wayne. Griffin has a running back that could make his own case for OROTY. Griffin was put in a much better situation than Luck. For Luck to take a 2-14 team and lead them to 10 wins is a very impressive feat.

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So dumb.. Cousins threw the TD and ran in the two point conversion but so would have RG3. Cousins had very little to do with that drive aside from cashing it in and running through a split sea of defenders

Luck today would have not won against a pathetic KC team if not for Butler and the skins game wouldn't have been close if not for Morgan being, well Morgan...

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

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So dumb.. Cousins threw the TD and ran in the two point conversion but so would have RG3. Cousins had very little to do with that drive aside from cashing it in and running through a split sea of defenders

Luck today would have not won against a pathetic KC team if not for Butler and the skins game wouldn't have been close if not for Morgan being, well Morgan...

So dumb... BG3 never gets any turnovers from his defense, unlike Luck's, which allowed 300+ rushing yards, the league high this year, among the 500+ total yards that they surrendered to a chiefs team

Raiderz4Life · 12-23-2012, 05:48 PM

I don't even know wtf is going on anymore in this thread. I is so confuzzled.

MaxV · 12-23-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xjxdarren

BG3 never gets any turnovers from his defense, unlike Luck's

Ummmm ... yeah.

Turnovers from Colts defense.

It's nice to judge that by one game, but for the season, Colts defense is among the worst in forced turnovers.

Honestly, I have NO IDEA how Colts are 10-5.

Statistically, Colts are among the worst in most categories.

xjxdarren · 12-23-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxV

Ummmm ... yeah.

Turnovers from Colts defense.

It's nice to judge that by one game, but for the season, Colts defense is among the worst in forced turnovers.

Honestly, I have NO IDEA why Colts are 10-5.

Statistically, Colts are among the worst in most categories.

Which makes those BG3-backers' argument citing colts' defense's presumed superiority infinitely more silly.

MaxV · 12-23-2012, 06:24 PM

I'm a Luck supporter, and I don't know if it should be him.

There are some arguments for and against him.

Pros:
- This team relies on the passing game A TON. They don't even use RBs as receivers often. This is a very aggressive system.
- He is VERY good on 3rd and 4th downs. Countless times he has made 2 bad throws on initial downs to put the team in 3rd-and-long only to make a great play to move the sticks.
- A lot of pressure to outscore a mediocre defense.
- Has to play behind one of the worst O-Lines in NFL.
- Rookie passing yards record.
- Rookie come-from-behind record.
- From 2-14 to 10-5.

Cons:
- Too many turnovers.
- Not as efficient as you want him to be.
- He hasn't been the only good addition in the off-season. Great rookie class (Hilton, Allen, Ballard, Fleener and Brazill), plus some good veterans (Redding, V. Davis, Butler, Avery, Justice, Shipley and Freeman) have also contributed to this team's turnaround. Grigson had a very good first year at the helm.
- Good in wins, but he has also been terrible in losses.

tmljeh19 · 12-23-2012, 06:27 PM

Hooray another thrilling comeback against the powerhouse Chiefs. It couldnt be another struggle victory over a sub .500 team could it? Its like I've seen this before from Luck. Hmmmm....

MaxV · 12-23-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tmljeh19

Hooray another thrilling comeback against the powerhouse Chiefs. It couldnt be another struggle victory over a sub .500 team could it? Its like I've seen this before from Luck. Hmmmm....

I don't think this one counts as comeback.

Chiefs never led.