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Because many, many more people agree with the gist of Culliver's beliefs on homosexuality than people agree with racism. You can say that they shouldn't, its just as bad as racism, whatever have you, but that doesn't change the fact that very sizable part of our population has a general disdain for homosexuality. While they may not fully agree with Culliver, they understand his reasoning. And when a decently large proportion of the population is even marginally agreeing with your argument, it becomes a lot less controversial, a lot less taboo.

So while Culliver's comments are controversial, when it comes to public backlash and opinion, they aren't nearly as bad as some statement that blacks shouldn't be allowed in the locker room would be.
If Chris Culliver said he thought blacks shouldn't be allowed in the locker room, sooooo many lols would be had.
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Because many, many more people agree with the gist of Culliver's beliefs on homosexuality than people agree with racism. You can say that they shouldn't, its just as bad as racism, whatever have you, but that doesn't change the fact that very sizable part of our population has a general disdain for homosexuality. While they may not fully agree with Culliver, they understand his reasoning. And when a decently large proportion of the population is even marginally agreeing with your argument, it becomes a lot less controversial, a lot less taboo.

So while Culliver's comments are controversial, when it comes to public backlash and opinion, they aren't nearly as bad as some statement that blacks shouldn't be allowed in the locker room would be.
Well that isn't what i'm talking about. Just because a few more idiots agree with something it doesn't make it any more okay. That is ********. Idiots are idiots. Their opinion shouldn't be taken into account when determining how bad something was. If there was a punishment for racism, the punishment for homophobia should be the same.
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Well that isn't what i'm talking about. Just because a few more idiots agree with something it doesn't make it any more okay. That is ********. Idiots are idiots. Their opinion shouldn't be taken into account when determining how bad something was. If there was a punishment for racism, the punishment for homophobia should be the same.
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They buy merchandise, they buy tickets, they watch broadcasts. To the NFL, there's no difference.
You're saying homophobic people are going to stop buying NFL merchandise because a player got suspended for being homophobic? Lol.

And anyway i'm not arguing what the NFL is going to do, just what they should do.
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You're saying homophobic people are going to stop buying NFL merchandise because a player got suspended for being homophobic? Lol.

And anyway i'm not arguing what the NFL is going to do, just what they should do.
No, I'm saying while you think their opinions should just be tossed out, to the NFL there's no difference between them and others.
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Well Chris Culliver is a ******* idiot.
No, its just the media trying to ruin the 49ers spark again.
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You're saying homophobic people are going to stop buying NFL merchandise because a player got suspended for being homophobic? Lol.

And anyway i'm not arguing what the NFL is going to do, just what they should do.
The NFL won't do anything. This will brush over and be forgotten about next week. Garrison Hearst made similar comments a few years ago. He basically apologized for what he said. Nothing else happened.
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I love when athletes do this stuff, and then immediately follow it up with some canned/phoney apology. Why even apologize when they clearly don't mean it

these dudes just need some better educating when it comes to PR stuff
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All right. The flood of coverage regarding mobile quarterbacks is driving me insane. Itís not even the relentlessness of it though. I get that. Itís the Super Bowl and Kaepernick is in it and this ďnew breed of quarterbackĒ has become a national sensation and whatever. Itís the gross generalizations and misconceptions thrown around on the topic that get me.

For starters, the pistol isnít a gimmick. Itís a legitimate formation. Thereís a difference between the pistol and the zone-read. Thatís like calling the shotgun and mesh the same thing. One is a formation. The other is a concept (often built into said formation). The pistol can be an NFL staple. Itís new to the pro landscape, but the structure of the NFL often inhibits new ideas. And the formation hasnít even been in the college consciousness for a decade.

The formation has worthwhile elements. First and foremost, it allows the offense to run power concepts out of a detached alignment. Weíve seen the spread of the shotgunís use as the passing game becomes more and more effective. The natural trade-off was sacrificing some punch in the running game and some multiple qualities. The pistol blends things. It lets an offense align the runner behind the quarterback and still gives them passing depth. There shouldnít be a team in the NFL that that doesnít interest.

It doesnít demand mobile quarterbacks either. The wrinkles become more prolific, sure, but itís not a requisite. The Packers, Patriots, Broncos, Saints, and Giants could install the pistol and be just as (or more) effective than the Niners, Redskins, Seahawks, and Panthers.

The zone-read isnít revolutionizing the NFL, but itís an offensive concept with long-term potential. Itís a conflict-creator. Itís a mathematic advantage. Itís more multiple than the wildcat and still shows growth potential in terms of design.

But the NFL wonít change. There is a benchmark that quarterbacks still need to be able to meet as a passer. If the passing skills arenít there, a defense can sit in a Cover 0 or Cover 1 and feel comfortable on the backend. At that point, the offenseís numerical advantage is nullified. Itís that simple. The quarterback needs to present enough of a threat with his arm to challenge the depth and width of secondaries. If he doesnít, itís open season. With a competent passer, however, the conflict is a benefit. Both in-game and pre-game. If a defense is devoting a lot of its preparation to stopping the zone-read, itís neglecting the other options of the offense.

That said, I donít love it as a go-to staple. Being available and reliable is a critical component of the NFL. Quarterbacks are often the engines of an offense and command the highest level of investment. Defenses know that. One of the simplest deterrents is just hitting the quarterback. Even if it means accepting some flags as the quarterback runs out of bounds or gets to the ground. You think Washington is going to risk RGIII if Dallas, New York, and Philadelphia show a consistent willingness to pop him with some borderline hits? No. Heís the face of their franchise.

And defensive staffs will find the best college programs at defending the zone-read and seek out clinics. Thereís a full off-season to implement the counters and response. I expect them to eliminate the conflict as much as possible and make it more about defensive rotation. Iíve heard some offensive enthusiasts suggest that itís indefensible. Thatís absurd. The presence of an arc blocker doesnít prevent defenses from getting hats to a quarterback in vulnerable positions.

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All right. The flood of coverage regarding mobile quarterbacks is driving me insane. It’s not even the relentlessness of it though. I get that. It’s the Super Bowl and Kaepernick is in it and this “new breed of quarterback” has become a national sensation and whatever. It’s the gross generalizations and misconceptions thrown around on the topic that get me.

For starters, the pistol isn’t a gimmick. It’s a legitimate formation. There’s a difference between the pistol and the zone-read. That’s like calling the shotgun and mesh the same thing. One is a formation. The other is a concept (often built into said formation). The pistol can be an NFL staple. It’s new to the pro landscape, but the structure of the NFL often inhibits new ideas. And the formation hasn’t even been in the college consciousness for a decade.

The formation has worthwhile elements. First and foremost, it allows the offense to run power concepts out of a detached alignment. We’ve seen the spread of the shotgun’s use as the passing game becomes more and more effective. The natural trade-off was sacrificing some punch in the running game and some multiple qualities. The pistol blends things. It lets an offense align the runner behind the quarterback and still gives them passing depth. There shouldn’t be a team in the NFL that that doesn’t interest.

It doesn’t demand mobile quarterbacks either. The wrinkles become more prolific, sure, but it’s not a requisite. The Packers, Patriots, Broncos, Saints, and Giants could install the pistol and be just as (or more) effective than the Niners, Redskins, Seahawks, and Panthers.

The zone-read isn’t revolutionizing the NFL, but it’s an offensive concept with long-term potential. It’s a conflict-creator. It’s a mathematic advantage. It’s more multiple than the wildcat and still shows growth potential in terms of design.

But the NFL won’t change. There is a benchmark that quarterbacks still need to be able to meet as a passer. If the passing skills aren’t there, a defense can sit in a Cover 0 or Cover 1 and feel comfortable on the backend. At that point, the offense’s numerical advantage is nullified. It’s that simple. The quarterback needs to present enough of a threat with his arm to challenge the depth and width of secondaries. If he doesn’t, it’s open season. With a competent passer, however, the conflict is a benefit. Both in-game and pre-game. If a defense is devoting a lot of its preparation to stopping the zone-read, it’s neglecting the other options of the offense.

That said, I don’t love it as a go-to staple. Being available and reliable is a critical component of the NFL. Quarterbacks are often the engines of an offense and command the highest level of investment. Defenses know that. One of the simplest deterrents is just hitting the quarterback. Even if it means accepting some flags as the quarterback runs out of bounds or gets to the ground. You think Washington is going to risk RGIII if Dallas, New York, and Philadelphia show a consistent willingness to pop him with some borderline hits? No. He’s the face of their franchise.

And defensive staffs will find the best college programs at defending the zone-read and seek out clinics. There’s a full off-season to implement the counters and response. I expect them to eliminate the conflict as much as possible and make it more about defensive rotation. I’ve heard some offensive enthusiasts suggest that it’s indefensible. That’s absurd. The presence of an arc blocker doesn’t prevent defenses from getting hats to a quarterback in vulnerable positions.

/end rant
Thank you. I stated this in a thread I created as well. The Pistol has it's place in the NFL, and quite honestly I'm shocked that it took so long to finally get here. This is a legit concept that can work. Honestly, there really isn't any need to take snaps under center anymore. You can go shot gun and pistol exclusively if you really wanted to.

And the zone read has already been incorporated successfully into the ZBS WCO that Shanny runs. It's a staple and it will work.

The issue I have is the thought that the read option with the qb scrambling is a staple that can be used all game. I strongly disagree with this because it's going to get your qb hurt. I like it as a situational package, but once defenses start hitting the qb on every single option, you're gonna see it go away.

And I'm glad you brought up how the pistol doesn't need a mobile qb. I also strongly believe this. Every team should use it. It's basically just a formation that allows your qb more time to throw the ball bc he doesn't have to drop back. He can scan the field immediately.

Why wouldn't you want to use the pistol? It makes perfect sense to me. I honestly see no point in playing under center. I'd go shot gun or pistol every play.
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Problem with Kaep is that any time the Niners run out of the pistol he takes one guy out of the play because of the threat. Even when it's a designed hand-off.

I expect to see a QB-counter with Miller taking a counter step to the left on Sunday.

The Niners always run right. You have to mix up things and blitz them. Make Kaep throw against man and make Crabtree and Moss beat M2M. Live with a couple of long Kaep runs. Atlanta and GB were afraid to blitz and played zone. Kaape picked them apart in the passing game and they were out-numbered on the right side in the running game.

The Rams and Seahawks are the only teams to **** with Kaep and they did it by mixing **** up and living with 1v1 on the outside. You have to take your chances - you can't allow them to outnumber you in the running game.
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Thank you. I stated this in a thread I created as well. The Pistol has it's place in the NFL, and quite honestly I'm shocked that it took so long to finally get here. This is a legit concept that can work. Honestly, there really isn't any need to take snaps under center anymore. You can go shot gun and pistol exclusively if you really wanted to.

And the zone read has already been incorporated successfully into the ZBS WCO that Shanny runs. It's a staple and it will work.

The issue I have is the thought that the read option with the qb scrambling is a staple that can be used all game. I strongly disagree with this because it's going to get your qb hurt. I like it as a situational package, but once defenses start hitting the qb on every single option, you're gonna see it go away.

And I'm glad you brought up how the pistol doesn't need a mobile qb. I also strongly believe this. Every team should use it. It's basically just a formation that allows your qb more time to throw the ball bc he doesn't have to drop back. He can scan the field immediately.

Why wouldn't you want to use the pistol? It makes perfect sense to me. I honestly see no point in playing under center. I'd go shot gun or pistol every play.
Which QB got hurt in the NFC championship game? The mobile one or the pocket QB?
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Problem with Kaep is that any time the Niners run out of the pistol he takes one guy out of the play because of the threat. Even when it's a designed hand-off.

I expect to see a QB-counter with Miller taking a counter step to the left on Sunday.

The Niners always run right. You have to mix up things and blitz them. Make Kaep throw against man and make Crabtree and Moss beat M2M. Live with a couple of long Kaep runs. Atlanta and GB were afraid to blitz and played zone. Kaape picked them apart in the passing game and they were out-numbered on the right side in the running game.

The Rams and Seahawks are the only teams to **** with Kaep and they did it by mixing **** up and living with 1v1 on the outside. You have to take your chances - you can't allow them to outnumber you in the running game.
The Packers played mostly man. The Bears also played man.

When the offense is clicking it can work against anyone.
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The Packers played mostly man. The Bears also played man.

When the offense is clicking it can work against anyone.
This............
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Thank you. I stated this in a thread I created as well. The Pistol has it's place in the NFL, and quite honestly I'm shocked that it took so long to finally get here. This is a legit concept that can work. Honestly, there really isn't any need to take snaps under center anymore. You can go shot gun and pistol exclusively if you really wanted to.

And the zone read has already been incorporated successfully into the ZBS WCO that Shanny runs. It's a staple and it will work.

The issue I have is the thought that the read option with the qb scrambling is a staple that can be used all game. I strongly disagree with this because it's going to get your qb hurt. I like it as a situational package, but once defenses start hitting the qb on every single option, you're gonna see it go away.

And I'm glad you brought up how the pistol doesn't need a mobile qb. I also strongly believe this. Every team should use it. It's basically just a formation that allows your qb more time to throw the ball bc he doesn't have to drop back. He can scan the field immediately.

Why wouldn't you want to use the pistol? It makes perfect sense to me. I honestly see no point in playing under center. I'd go shot gun or pistol every play.

thank you and cudders this has been pissing me off all week.

The pistol is a formation, not an offensive style, but for the love of god every moron on tv, radio, anywhere really just cant seem to get that and its incredibly annoying.

I agree with you though, i wrote on here a few years back i was surprised the pistol hadnt found its way to the nfl yet. The pro game is very slow to change, even something as little as moving the QB forward 2 yards and putting the RB behind him takes an absurd amount of time despite the fact that it incorporates the best of both worlds without any new drawbacks.

I coach HS and it took me about three games this last fall to get my coach to go from gun/under center to just running everything from the pistol. I would personally be in pistol 95% of the time at least, maybe goal line situations id go underneath to keep the sneak option availiable.
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I love when athletes do this stuff, and then immediately follow it up with some canned/phoney apology. Why even apologize when they clearly don't mean it

these dudes just need some better educating when it comes to PR stuff
Again, people have all kinds of opinions on all kinds of topics.
See Larry Johnson regarding playing harder for a black coach. Many players "think" that, but he was the only one dumb enough to "say it out loud".
See Rashard Mendenhall, who defended Osama Bin Laden.
Idiots? Yep. Bad people? Probably. But the NFL shouldn't fine them. Same with this Culliver.
Not everyone approves of the Doogie Howser lifestyle, in fact I suspect a large % of NFL players think what Culliver said. You can't fine these people for saying it.
You do, however, have the right to not like the guy because he said it, if it offends your style.
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The NFL won't do anything. This will brush over and be forgotten about next week. Garrison Hearst made similar comments a few years ago. He basically apologized for what he said. Nothing else happened.
Nor should it have. Funny how 2 Niner players there in San Fran, the home of the "San Francisco Treat" would speak out so much.... they're in the hotbed of the "movement".
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