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Old 07-30-2013, 09:26 PM    (permalink
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Seattle should just stop acquiring WRs or signing them in FA. Deion Branch, T.J, Sidney Rice and now Percy Harvin could be headed in the right direction in joining this list.
Big name receivers acquired via free agency rarely work out anywhere.
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Greg Jennings won't crack 900 yards. You heard it here first.
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Greg Jennings won't crack 900 yards. You heard it here first.
That'll likely be more related to the fact that the Vikings will only pass for 3000 yards than Jennings as a player.
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If we put Peterson in a time machine and sent him back to 1960, then yeah, he'd dominate like nobody ever has. However, if he had been born in 1936 and he had grown up with 1950's training methods, then he probably wouldn't be better than Jim Brown.
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I get it, hes a legend in the NFL....he was also bigger than DTs of the era, its so hard to judge based on era when you are separated by THAT kind of a difference. If peterson was running back in browns era emmitt smith would still be running to get that record
It's not hard to judge at all. You judge players by the era in which they played. I have no idea why sports fans even have the slightest inclination to do otherwise.

Imagine if you were comparing scientists. Would you compare Newton to Einstein? Of course not! Newton is such an idiot how did he not know about all of the advancements made in physics well after he died that wouldn't have been possible without him? Holy crap Aristotle believed that the earth was the center of the universe? I'm smarter than Aristotle!

In the same vein it makes absolutely no sense to compare what a guy without any of the benefits of modern weight-training, nutrition, etc., would do in 1995 or 2013. The premise is so absurd that I don't know how anyone takes it seriously at all.
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If we put Peterson in a time machine and sent him back to 1960, then yeah, he'd dominate like nobody ever has. However, if he had been born in 1936 and he had grown up with 1950's training methods, then he probably wouldn't be better than Jim Brown.
But what if we put Purdue Pete in a time machine, sent him back to the year 1492, had him murder Christopher Columbus, ship guns to the Aztecs with a UPS truck he drove back in time with, sent the ghost of Bronco Nagurski to the year 2253 when hoverboards replaced legs in the new UFL, and players were paid in cottage cheese, which is now a non-renewable resource. How good would Adrian Peterson be then?

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But what if we put Purdue Pete in a time machine, sent him back to the year 1492, had him murder Christopher Columbus, ship guns to the Aztecs with a UPS truck he drove back in time with, sent the ghost of Bronco Nagurski to the year 2253 when hoverboards replaced legs in the new UFL, and players were paid in cottage cheese, which is now a non-renewable resource. How good would Adrian Peterson be then?

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It's not hard to judge at all. You judge players by the era in which they played. I have no idea why sports fans even have the slightest inclination to do otherwise.

Imagine if you were comparing scientists. Would you compare Newton to Einstein? Of course not! Newton is such an idiot how did he not know about all of the advancements made in physics well after he died that wouldn't have been possible without him? Holy crap Aristotle believed that the earth was the center of the universe? I'm smarter than Aristotle!

In the same vein it makes absolutely no sense to compare what a guy without any of the benefits of modern weight-training, nutrition, etc., would do in 1995 or 2013. The premise is so absurd that I don't know how anyone takes it seriously at all.
So theres no way jim brown can be taken over as the best RB of all time ever? Unless we find a RB that is 6-6 340 pounds of lean muscle and runs a 4.4 there is no way a RB is going to dwarf and outrun 90% of all defensive players like brown did then. He was a special talent in that he was so big, strong, and fast back then but he was a man among boys in that era. Honestly brown running against pro defenses back then would be like peterson running against JUCO defenses now

people get so locked into players being the best of all time they close the door on anyone ever overtaking them
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Where do we rank Marion Motley guys?

He's an intriguing player to add to the discussion. He was utterly dominant in his era.
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So theres no way jim brown can be taken over as the best RB of all time ever? Unless we find a RB that is 6-6 340 pounds of lean muscle and runs a 4.4 there is no way a RB is going to dwarf and outrun 90% of all defensive players like brown did then. He was a special talent in that he was so big, strong, and fast back then but he was a man among boys in that era. Honestly brown running against pro defenses back then would be like peterson running against JUCO defenses now

people get so locked into players being the best of all time they close the door on anyone ever overtaking them
This is why it's such a ridiculously hard argument. Ranking them by era still doesn't let us compare them. It's hard to put it into perspective. They didn't have defenders that could do with Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, and JJ Watt can do. It's hard to really tell who Jim Brown was running over and around. It could have looked like Marshawn Lynch running through a second team defense in todays age.


I just try to judge by what I see from the tape of those older guys, I've only seen a few backs look as special as Peterson, he looks as fast as Barry Sanders did when he turned a corner and as powerful as Earl Cambell. I also have to take into consideration that he looks so fast turning the corner on defenders who as a whole are largely faster and stronger as a whole.
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I think you have to view it based on how dominant they were in their respective eras. Yes, there was no JJ Watt back then, but there was Gino Marchetti. There was Sam Huff. Also keep in mind that OL couldn't block with their hands back then and the general carnage of the game back then was much more viscous.

It's just a different game. Not better or worse, just different.

I think when we evaluate RBs of today, we can't just look at rushing yards anymore. The pass game has become such an important part of their evaluation now that I think you have to add in the caveat of how many receiving yards they get. Their rushing yards will probably go down but their receiving yards will go up.
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You can make arguments in so many different ways. Most of the great backs - Brown, Payton, Campbell, Dickerson, Sanders, Simpson, and now Peterson - played on teams that had below-average passing attacks. This tends to make us believe they were even better because they were being keyed in on by defenses so often. But there is a flipside to the coin; had those teams been better passing teams the back would have had far fewer carries, and lesser numbers. Not to take anything away from Emmitt Smith, because he had a long, enduring career and was a tough, dependable back, but on that team, whoever got the bulk of the carries was going to have great success.

Marshall Faulk was the only back with 12,000 rushing yards and 6,000 receiving yards. Thus, it can be suggested that he was the most complete back ever. However, when you play for a team with such a deadly passing attack, how many easy rushing yards are there to be had?

Someone brought up Marion Motley, who was a dominant big back with the early Cleveland Browns, another man-among-boys and the predecessor to Jim Brown. At 6'1" and 230, there was hardly a defensive lineman in football with a more imposing stature. But he played most of his great career in the AAFC before the Browns joined the NFL, which would probably knock him down a tier in the eyes of most fans, even though the Browns were clearly the best team in all of football upon their arrival to the NFL in 1950.

In the 1930's there was a back named Cliff Battles who played for the Boston Braves/Boston Redskins/Washington Redskins who was similarly dominant, winning 2 rushing titles and becoming the first player ever to rush for 100 yards and 200 yards in a game. In an era when 500 rushing yards was a lot in a season, he ran for 3500 yards and 23 TDs in six years, despite missing 12 games due to injuries, and then just walked away in the first documented holdout of a star player in NFL history. He wanted $4000 a year, and Redskins owner George Preston Marshall told him "$3000 a year, not a penny more. Take it or leave it." He left and took an assistant coaching job at Columbia University...for $4000 a year. He quit at the top of his game, finishing the 1937 season with 874 yards and 5 touchdowns. In his last game he ran for 165 yards against the NY Giants in the championship; this record for most rushing yards in a player's final game stood for nearly 70 years, until Tiki Barber broke it in 2006. Had he continued to play, we may have had a runner from the 30's with 6,000 rushing yards.
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Well...Riley Cooper has probably done smarter things before
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WTF did he have on? A button up flannel shirt with no sleeves?




None the less, this is certainly something I can't remember happening and you have to wonder what people in the locker room will be thinking.
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Poor choice of word usage from Cooper (obviously) but I don't think it'll really be a big deal a week from now. It'd be more of an issue if the slur was directed at a specific individual, especially a teammate.
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What a brave thing to say at a country music concert.
Anything dealing with race is so one sided. I am sure Cooper was taunted many times during his playing days in the SEC - being called white boy, cracker etc.

It was a dumb thing to say but lets not pretend a huge double standard does not exist in this country.
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Racism is so one sided in this country - can't really be offended by it anymore. I am sure Cooper was taunted many times during his playing days in the SEC - being called white boy, cracker etc.
.........What?
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Anything dealing with race is so one sided. I am sure Cooper was taunted many times during his playing days in the SEC - being called white boy, cracker etc.

It was a dumb thing to say but lets not pretend a huge double standard does not exist in this country.
Well this was a really dumb thing to say.
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Anything dealing with race is so one sided. I am sure Cooper was taunted many times during his playing days in the SEC - being called white boy, cracker etc.

It was a dumb thing to say but lets not pretend a huge double standard does not exist in this country.
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Are you one of the people who thought this was a debate worth discussing?

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Anything dealing with race is so one sided. I am sure Cooper was taunted many times during his playing days in the SEC - being called white boy, cracker etc.

It was a dumb thing to say but lets not pretend a huge double standard does not exist in this country.
Lol wut? This is why I try my hardest to not even get into a race discussion on this site because someone always manages to say something completely stupid. Congratulations for being "that guy".
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