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Old 08-02-2013, 12:48 PM    (permalink
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Cooper's obviously going to be cut.
Yeah. So many people saying it's not a big deal. It will take a very strong team to make it work. I don't mean the logo on the side of the helmet, but the strength of teamwork within a locker room, regardless of franchise. Relationships will never be the same. This is what LeSean McCoy had to say...

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You don’t just say something like that and then it’s just normal. It’s hard for a lot of players like myself, because I’m good friends with him.

And then we’ve been playing for three years, and something like this comes out, I think where a person thinks that the cameras are off and nobody is really watching, you let your true side come out, and I think that’s what happened. I think it’s a matter of him actually getting caught.
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It's because of the damn freaking media that these racial slurs are getting out of hand and it is ridiculous IMO. I just don't get it why a lot of people get so butt hurt. I never do when i get made fun and I do on this form for my ****** ass grammar skills. But hey it's the damn media and every one follows them ugh Television these days. One reason I don't watch it any more. Unless it is movies or download or dvr stuff or and sports because well it's better live.
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THe problem is there isn't.

There's a nasty joke among others I heard growing up; what do you call a Black man with a PhD?? Still a n#&&%.

People who say there's a 'difference' are being willfully ignorant.

NO ONE should be using it period as part of every day vernacular. I have a love/hate with many rap artists because of this same word.

I really have a problem too with Black people who embrace the N-word. It's just stupid. It would be like White folks from West Virginia going around calling each other 'inbreds'.

LOL, the biggest thing going in Riley Cooper's favor IMO is he used to room with Tim Tebow, whom I doubt seriously knows how to spell n*&&^%.
Which means Riley may not be a lowlife assholle and is more stupid than anything.

BTW, I really hate this whole GOTCHA culture that's developed around people catching others on their cell phone cams and screwing up people's lives.

Riley isn't the only White NFL player who's said that word in anger, in private.
It's ugly but I don't know if I can make solid judgements on his character because of it.

IMO it's worse to ACT like a racist than SAY something racially offensive.
That said, if I were the Eagles I'd suspend Cooper for a couple games to start the season.
Yeah man, a concert isn't "in private"...
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It's because of the damn freaking media that these racial slurs are getting out of hand and it is ridiculous IMO. I just don't get it why a lot of people get so butt hurt. I never do when i get made fun and I do on this form for my ****** ass grammar skills. But hey it's the damn media and every one follows them ugh Television these days. One reason I don't watch it any more. Unless it is movies or download or dvr stuff or and sports because well it's better live.
In my opinion the problem is the lack personal accountability, any more. Why blame the media for a behavior that was chosen by a player? We keep making excuses. I'm a forgiving type and I don't have any ill hopes for Riley Cooper. But there is simply one person at fault for the words that come out of Riley Cooper's mouth and that is Riley Cooper.

NOT the media.
NOT Kenny Chesney.
NOT alcohol.
NOT other players who use the word.
NOT the guy/girl filming on their cell phone.

ONLY Riley Cooper.
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Vick orchestrates and runs a dog fighting ring, torturing and killing countless dogs in the process. Numerous players come out in defense and claim it's part of their culture.

Cooper gets drunk and uses a slur at a concert, being filmed by some snake looking for tabloid money. Nobody comes out in defense and some even want him out of the league.

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"I can't do anything else," Goodell said. "You can't have discipline from the club and the league in the same incident. It's double jeopardy, but it's also part of our collective bargaining agreement."
He can put pressure on the Eagles, and I'm sure he can still up the punishment if he wanted to or has influence on the initial club one.

Otherwise teams would just start disciplining there own guys for incidents the NFL would do, for instance the Lions could have fined Suh when he kicked/stomped and the league couldn't have done anything else? No, I don't think it works that way
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Vick orchestrates and runs a dog fighting ring, torturing and killing countless dogs in the process. Numerous players come out in defense and claim it's part of their culture.

Cooper gets drunk and uses a slur at a concert, being filmed by some snake looking for tabloid money. Nobody comes out in defense and some even want him out of the league.

And if Riley Cooper were a cop no one would care if he said the n-word at a Kenny Chesney concert.
But if Joe Biden said it at a fundraiser, it would be an impeachable offense.
It's all about context.

Does anyone care at Google if prospective hiree Ryan Mallet did coach in college if he's one of the top coders in the country??? Hell No.

But the NFL does.

Different rules for different situations for different people.
White guy calling coworkers at a branch office in Alabama rednecks is almost a nonissue. Black guy at the same company saying the same thing suddenly brings a racial angle to the same comments.

People can't forget to turn their brains ON once they leave the house, which Riley Cooper did.
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Vick orchestrates and runs a dog fighting ring, torturing and killing countless dogs in the process. Numerous players come out in defense and claim it's part of their culture.

Cooper gets drunk and uses a slur at a concert, being filmed by some snake looking for tabloid money. Nobody comes out in defense and some even want him out of the league.

Pretty much how I feel about this ****. Really, does people really give a **** that he said ´nigger´? People beat up GFs, driven drunk and/or stoned, use PEDs, bring guns everywhere and other insane **** without it ever becomes this big of an issue. This is beyond ridiculous and really speaks to how being politically correct has gone too far. I'm just fed up with this type of ****. Was it a dumb ******* thing to say? Yes. But it's not worth ruining a young man's life over.

I'll fight every ****** in here who's offended by what he said.
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THe problem is there isn't.
my best friend is black. he's not a *****. you go look in ghettos you see all kinds of ******. the way a person acts makes them a ***** or not by our definitions.
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Disgusting what is happening to Cooper now. He is an idiot, no doubt, but its out of hand with the media now.
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Pretty much how I feel about this ****. Really, does people really give a **** that he said ´nigger´? People beat up GFs, driven drunk and/or stoned, use PEDs, bring guns everywhere and other insane **** without it ever becomes this big of an issue. This is beyond ridiculous and really speaks to how being politically correct has gone too far. I'm just fed up with this type of ****. Was it a dumb ******* thing to say? Yes. But it's not worth ruining a young man's life over.

I'll fight every ****** in here who's offended by what he said.
No it's not the worst thing IMO Cooper could ever do or say to a teammate, but it's still career threatening playing in the NFL for a guy who's replaceable.

It's not like Jordy Nelson said the n-word at a concert.

BTW intolerance of racially insensitive behavior isn't being 'politically correct'. Many of the problems that currently exist in this country come from its disgusting racist legacy.

Racial epithet+marginally talented player=pounding bricks.
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Cooper gets drunk and uses a slur at a concert, being filmed by some snake looking for tabloid money. Nobody comes out in defense and some even want him out of the league.

Perhaps, if using a racial slur was illegal, and Cooper shared a locker room with a large number of pit bulls, the correlation would be more clear.
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the sad thing is if shady said it then this isn't even a topic. that's the problem.
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the sad thing is if shady said it then this isn't even a topic. that's the problem.
Assuming it and making a reverse-racial blanket statement is more of a problem.

If a fringe-roster black player was on film making racial slurs against white people, he'd likely be sent home from practice, too.
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Can we just move on? I'm so done with it. Race relations in this country suck and will forever suck for a multitude of reasons. Let's just move on.
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my best friend is black. he's not a *****. you go look in ghettos you see all kinds of ******. the way a person acts makes them a ***** or not by our definitions.

Not you, but your explanation is nonsensical.
You can't parse and contort the word '******' to fit into your own personal vocabulary.

'******' - derogatory term for a Black person. The end.

Don't buy into that rap music ghetto logic that '*****/******' has a kaleidoscope of nuanced meanings.

And I personally take offense that you think being from a Black ghetto in America means you're more likely to be a ******.

No matter how you spin it, once you bore it down you can't separate the word '******' from meaning Black person.
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Can we just move on? I'm so done with it. Race relations in this country suck and will forever suck for a multitude of reasons. Let's just move on.
Unfortunately, ESPN won't let that happen.
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Can we just move on? I'm so done with it. Race relations in this country suck and will forever suck for a multitude of reasons. Let's just move on.
I don't want to get into it really on this board, but why is it that more and more people are really opposed to talking about race and racism??
To me the unwillingness to explore the topic and understand why it's so controversial still is a bigger problem than actually using racial epithets or being a racist.

Racism is like a disease and simply ignoring it only means it's going to infect the entire body eventually. Racism feeds on ignorance, not from dialogue.

Your fatalism about racism IMO is both depressing and sad.
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Not you, but your explanation is nonsensical.
You can't parse and contort the word '******' to fit into your own personal vocabulary.

'******' - derogatory term for a Black person. The end.

Don't buy into that rap music ghetto logic that '*****/******' has a kaleidoscope of nuanced meanings.

And I personally take offense that you think being from a Black ghetto in America means you're more likely to be a ******.

No matter how you spin it, once you bore it down you can't separate the word '******' from meaning Black person.
if black people want others to stop saying it maybe they should stop calling themselves that word first.

and personally take offense it doesn't change the fact that most ***** are in ghettos. its society.
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I don't want to get into it really on this board, but why is it that more and more people are really opposed to talking about race and racism??
To me the unwillingness to explore the topic and understand why it's so controversial still is a bigger problem than actually using racial epithets or being a racist.

Racism is like a disease and simply ignoring it only means it's going to infect the entire body eventually. Racism feeds on ignorance, not from dialogue.

Your fatalism about racism IMO is both depressing and sad.
Bc I'm not going to change opinions on race on an internet message board. That's done through family, interaction, upbringing, and experience. I'm not going to waste my time here trying to talk about race.
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lol we need to get some games on tv
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Yes. We need the PS week 1 thread to be made so we can focus on football again. There's a game this sunday anyway.
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Unfortunately, ESPN won't let that happen.
Or the NFL network. Hopefully it will be gone in a few days.

I thought it interesting that Michael Vick stood up for Riley. Could have been that people have given him forgiveness for his wrong doings or it might be that deep down he knows what kind of a person Cooper really is.

Whether it's in an Nfl lockerroom or an Army barracks the expletives are going to fly and it goes both ways. If Cooper is a good guy who shot his mouth off that should be the end of it. If the shitstorm lasts they might have to let him go and let him try to start fresh somewhere else.

For anyone he plays against who takes it upon themselves to be some sort of judge and jury i'd advise they make sure their house is in order first.
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If riley cooper had pr people he needs to fire them
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Seems he's going to be stepping away from the team to get some counseling. My guess is when it quiets down a bit he'll be cut. The message is going to be if you're a marginal player don't #### up and also a racial expletive is worse than taking PEDs, DUIs, stealing, beating your spouse or being a bad person in general.
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