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Old 12-08-2013, 07:28 PM    (permalink
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Through 13 games, he's accumulated the following stats:

6 sacks
5 ints
1 ff
1 safety
111 tackles


He'll likely finish with 130+ tackles, with a couple more splash plays as well.

Who deserves to win this award over David, based solely on play on the field?

Who is his competition? I haven't really heard a lot of raving about any one defensive player this year (Like Miller, Smith, and Watt last year.) best two defenses are Seattle and Carolina, but I'd say no one on those teams (Maybe Sherman?) seems good enough. So if not David, who?
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Earl Thomas from Seattle has been getting a lot of talk. Stats aren't elite, but his play is very high. Mathis from the Colts has 15.5 sacks and 5 FF, so that will get some looks. Tamba Hali will get some talk.

That said, I think Lavonte deserves the award. Great player, terrible team, so we'll see.
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He definitely deserves to be in the conversation. The guy is just all over the place. He isn't even on nfl.coms watch lost of top 10 DPOY candidates which is a darn shame.
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JJ Watt still deserves it.
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David was also single handedly responsible for a loss against the Jets. It seems like he is compiling stats on a bad team. He's up there for consideration but he shouldn't win. I'd vote for Thomas or Kuechly.
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Eric Berry, clearly.
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David was also single handedly responsible for a loss against the Jets. It seems like he is compiling stats on a bad team. He's up there for consideration but he shouldn't win. I'd vote for Thomas or Kuechly.
I'd watch some games before making any assumptions. And that was single handedly one of the worst calls I've seen all year and he did not single handedly lose against the Jets pal.
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David was also single handedly responsible for a loss against the Jets. It seems like he is compiling stats on a bad team. He's up there for consideration but he shouldn't win. I'd vote for Thomas or Kuechly.
What in the world? I agree with the previous answer of Watt.
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Watt. Cameron Jordan as a nice consolation prize, just like their draft :D :D
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I'd watch some games before making any assumptions. And that was single handedly one of the worst calls I've seen all year and he did not single handedly lose against the Jets pal.
It was the correct call and that penalty turned a hail mary play with no time left into a 48 yard field go with no time left, which they made and thus you lost the game. The Bucs aren't as bad as their record, I've seen them play a ton. But I really feel like that loss set them off on a terrible start to the season.
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But I really feel like that loss set them off on a terrible start to the season.
Josh Freeman set them off on a terrible start. Had they won that game, the Bucs would still have been terrible with Freeman as their quarterback. In retrospect, I'm actually glad we lost that game so we could kick him out of town as soon as we did.

What cost the Bucs the Jets game was their pathetic offense led by Josh Freeman scoring only a single touchdown against an hapless Jets team.

As for Lavonte David, when you are 3rd in the league in TFL (behind Watt and Quinn) and you're the first LB in the history of the game to record 5+ INTs and 6+ sack in the same season, you're not just "compiling stats on a bad team". That means you're a terrific football player. That being said, I would also go with Watt.
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Josh Freeman set them off on a terrible start. Had they won that game, the Bucs would still have been terrible with Freeman as their quarterback. In retrospect, I'm actually glad we lost that game so we could kick him out of town as soon as we did.

What cost the Bucs the Jets game was their pathetic offense led by Josh Freeman scoring only a single touchdown against an hapless Jets team.

As for Lavonte David, when you are 3rd in the league in TFL (behind Watt and Quinn) and you're the first LB in the history of the game to record 5+ INTs and 6+ sack in the same season, you're not just "compiling stats on a bad team". That means you're a terrific football player. That being said, I would also go with Watt.
That's an amazing stat.
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David is getting some love. This guy is just as much the LB that Kuechly is.
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Lavonte David should definitely be in the running for DPOY, but I don't think he'll win, simply because you don't usually see the POY awards going to players on losing teams. On top of that, David isn't really a well known guy like some of the other candidates are. Like it or not, it's still a popularity contest.

Not that I mind... David is clearly one of the best linebackers in the league and the fact that he plays for the Bucs is good enough for me.
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He's been a special player. Sucks people are going to bring up the Jets game when yes that was a bone head play but he's learned from it and moved on.

The Bucs have some really good players on D. McCoy, David, Revis, Barron and Goldson.

Just need the pass rushers and this unit can become great.
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robert mathis deserves some serious consideration, he gets my vote at this point. hes gonna finish around 20 sacks, and he has made game-changing plays in their signature wins.

the problem with david is I do have a hard time giving him award for best player of the year, when he he also made one of worst and most damaging plays of the year. that late hit was really unnecessary and the outcome of the game was swung entirely because of it, and the team went on a crazy downward spiral after that game. Cant put that on him, he has played amazing, but hard to give him the DPOY with that in mind, when there are other great players who have made the big plays to win their team games.

earl thomas, richard sherman, luke kuechly, mathis, quinn, and even verner I would put above him.

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his stats back it up, unfortunately his teams record does not, still thinks he should be heavily considered because if Justin James deserves to be considered on his s*** team then he definitely does
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DPOY will be Kuechly just because HEART AND SOUL OF THAT DEFENSE!

Lavonte rules though.
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JJ Watt has been the best defensive player in the league this year but won't win it because the Texans are going to have the 1st overall pick.

Outside that I would probably give it to Earl Thomas
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David is an absolute beast. Not only does he put up the stats, but you can always tell he is performing perfectly as you watch the game. If you see someone perform a perfect technical tackle, 9 ties out of 10 it is David.
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i think they'll give it to Kuechly by default but really a terrific year for defensive performances. eye popping stats from David and what Thomas has been doing is just neat to watch. interested to see how this shakes out.
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Cam Jordan is awesome in the run game, 11.5 sacks as a 3-4 DE, leading a top 5 defense that was the worst ever last year in terms of yardage... his play is a big reason for the turnaround.
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Friendly reminder the Titans drafted Zach Brown over David.

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I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.
The end. Cut to black. Audience goes ****ing ape****.
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Friendly reminder the Titans drafted Zach Brown over David.

The Pats drafted Hightower over David, Wagner, and Brown.
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