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Old 02-26-2013, 08:48 PM    (permalink
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well hes got the right idea...unlike guys like pat white.

i think he falls between percy harvin and devin hester, not as good of a WR as harvin but not as bad as hester, but offers RB like percy and return ability of hester (not that percy isnt a fantastic return man, robinson just runs more like hester i think)

and honestly his arm isnt bad
I think a mix of Percy/Hester is definitely BEST CASE scenario for him.

His arm strength isn't terrible by any means, but he definitely has no idea where the ball is going to end up when he unleashes.
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Rhodes reminds me of Richard Sherman.

And I would add Sanders should be the last one to be talking about effort.
Rhodes' size and physicality is the only things that compare favorably to Sherman. He's no where near the ball hawk that Sherman is, and when the ball is in the air, he doesn't have the aggressive nature that Sherman has to go up and get it. Sherman honestly thinks he is better than every man he lines up against, and he will tell you that. I don't see anything like that with Rhodes, unfortunately.
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Dexter Mccluster???
I think he is a much stronger runner. He could even project to be a starter level RB and be pretty good IMO.
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I think he is a much stronger runner. He could even project to be a starter level RB and be pretty good IMO.
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Saw this posted over in r/nfl. Figured you guys could use it. It's all the combine numbers from all the players in one document

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If the Chiefs were to trade for Alex Smith then taking Bray at the top of the second might make sense for the long run, top of the 3rd would be ideal.
As a Chiefs' fan, if I knew for certain that the intent behind getting Alex Smith was to be a placeholder for a drafted QB for a year or two, I'd have no problem with the Chiefs going that route. But this organization has a VERY long history of going after castoffs and pinning the fortunes entirely on that guy.

No one can convince me that Alex Smith is or should be a long-term solution. Alex Smith is supposed to be a very heady, team oriented guy. If the intent is to make that trade (I think he has 2 years left), then draft a guy within the first 3 rounds and let him develop while he watches Smith, count me in. Otherwise, I'm very nervous as a Chiefs fan.

But I am a Tyler Bray fan. I think he and Glennon, physically with regards to armstrength, are the best throwers in this draft (not saying they are the best QBs). Each have their issues of course. But I think if Bray can get his head screwed on right, he could have a pretty good future in the league.

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I think Bray is easily a 1st round talent at QB.
Well, I think he certainly has a golden arm that belongs in the first round. And he added a very good amount of weight. But the knock on him is between his ears. If I knew for certain he has outgrown that aspect of the profile, I'd project him as a first rounder. But, as it were, I think he's a 2nd rounder at best IMO. I think the Chiefs with their offensive coaching staff should consider him.
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As a Chiefs' fan, if I knew for certain that the intent behind getting Alex Smith was to be a placeholder for a drafted QB for a year or two, I'd have no problem with the Chiefs going that route. But this organization has a VERY long history of going after castoffs and pinning the fortunes entirely on that guy.

No one can convince me that Alex Smith is or should be a long-term solution. Alex Smith is supposed to be a very heady, team oriented guy. If the intent is to make that trade (I think he has 2 years left), then draft a guy within the first 3 rounds and let him develop while he watches Smith, count me in. Otherwise, I'm very nervous as a Chiefs fan.

But I am a Tyler Bray fan. I think he and Glennon, physically with regards to armstrength, are the best throwers in this draft (not saying they are the best QBs). Each have their issues of course. But I think if Bray can get his head screwed on right, he could have a pretty good future in the league.
Bray was a winner at the combine. The weight he put on really helps his cause - the way he was able to fling the ball around with ease was also impressive. I really want to hear how teams think he did in with interviews.
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Bray was a winner at the combine. The weight he put on really helps his cause - the way he was able to fling the ball around with ease was also impressive. I really want to hear how teams think he did in with interviews.
They say he is a real head case but you never know. Take Christine Michael, he is so talented that it is just a shame that he is such a head case as well. What a waste.
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They say he is a real head case but you never know. Take Christine Michael, he is so talented that it is just a shame that he is such a head case as well. What a waste.
How you oversleep at the combine and miss meetings with NFL TEAMS is beyond me. Just blatant attitude problems...
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How you oversleep at the combine and miss meetings with NFL TEAMS is beyond me. Just blatant attitude problems...
Randy Moss overslept and missed a breakfast that included the team president, the head coach, and his hero Walter Payton...so the team took him off of their board.

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They say he is a real head case but you never know. Take Christine Michael, he is so talented that it is just a shame that he is such a head case as well. What a waste.
Too bad I didn't post in the best RB in 2013 class thread...Michael was honestly the RB I was going to pick and that was before the combine. Always liked him at A&M. He can dominate in the NFL he reminds me of LT.
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Would really like to see game tape from that game. Patton put up 164 and 2 tds but no idea who was covering him.
It was almost exclusively Hawthorne
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It was almost exclusively Hawthorne
Patton didn't go off like his numbers would indicate. A big portion of the yardage came in a big chunk play in which Hawthorne was supposed to have help over the top. That was literally the only "bad" game you can find on him.
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Patton didn't go off like his numbers would indicate. A big portion of the yardage came in a big chunk play in which Hawthorne was supposed to have help over the top. That was literally the only "bad" game you can find on him.
So Hawthorne, who you're promoting as a shutdown CB, was beaten like a drum by Patton, a 2nd round WR. Don't give me "he was expecting help over the top". If he's an NFL calibre CB he'd take Patton out of the game on his own and the coaches would expect that of him.

Why do you have such a hardon for this guy again?
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So Hawthorne, who you're promoting as a shutdown CB, was beaten like a drum by Patton, a 2nd round WR. Don't give me "he was expecting help over the top". If he's an NFL calibre CB he'd take Patton out of the game on his own and the coaches would expect that of him.

Why do you have such a hardon for this guy again?


Help or no help, its literally the exception for Hawthorne. You won't find a CB who brings the overall package like he does in this draft. He has Pro Bowl potential off the bat.

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By the way what makes Hawthorne even more valuable, he can easily be a top FS after a long career at CB. I wouldn't even be surprised if a team took him as a FS. I was comparing him to Ed Reed out of HS when he was an absolute ball hawk/game changer at the position from ESL.
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Why no one on ESPN has said this yet instead of ripping the guy, but with the Te'o 40 time BS..... Burfict just this last year ran a what 4.9 something 40 time at the combine....and all he did was go undrafted then start at linebacker on a Playoff team and had 127 total tackles.

Te'o will be just fine, not saying it will happen but hell James Laurinaitis and Rey Maualuga fell into the 2nd round, who gives a **** they are both very good players at the next level. Sure everyone wants a Patrick Willis ILB with a fine 40 time but that is not going to always be the case.
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Why no one on ESPN has said this yet instead of ripping the guy, but with the Te'o 40 time BS..... Burfict just this last year ran a what 4.9 something 40 time at the combine....and all he did was go undrafted then start at linebacker on a Playoff team and had 127 total tackles.

Te'o will be just fine, not saying it will happen but hell James Laurinaitis and Rey Maualuga fell into the 2nd round, who gives a **** they are both very good players at the next level. Sure everyone wants a Patrick Willis ILB with a fine 40 time but that is not going to always be the case.
However, there are hundreds of prospects who faced similar situations and were out of the league in a hurry. Some team will take their chances on Te'o, likely in round 2, but he is no longer a sure thing.
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What were people expecting from him? 4.7? 4.75? 4.82. From my perspective, Te'o did not run with the proper form used by track guys. He ran upright all the way while the fast guys usually explode with a more inclined stance and head down. If anything, it tells me Te'o does not know how to run a 40-yard dash. It does not mean he won't be able to play nickel defense in the NFL.
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What were people expecting from him? 4.7? 4.75? 4.82. From my perspective, Te'o did not run with the proper form used by track guys. He ran upright all the way while the fast guys usually explode with a more inclined stance and head down. If anything, it tells me Te'o does not know how to run a 40-yard dash. It does not mean he won't be able to play nickel defense in the NFL.
What were people expecting from him? People were probably expecting him to show up to the combine and be prepared for the combine drills.
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What were people expecting from him? People were probably expecting him to show up to the combine and be prepared for the combine drills.
Yeah, but how much did all this crap before the Combine affect his training. I've heard reports that his performance took a nosedive after the story came out and affected him in the NCG. There are reports from Notre Dame that this is actually what happened.

It just makes drafting him more of a risk and will likely drop him to round 2 but the beauty of pro sports is that in the end, next year will decide just how good he can be as a pro, that's the fate of all draftees no matter what round they get picked in.
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Yeah, but how much did all this crap before the Combine affect his training. I've heard reports that his performance took a nosedive after the story came out and affected him in the NCG. There are reports from Notre Dame that this is actually what happened.

It just makes drafting him more of a risk and will likely drop him to round 2 but the beauty of pro sports is that in the end, next year will decide just how good he can be as a pro, that's the fate of all draftees no matter what round they get picked in.
Pretty sure the Deadspin story came out after the NCG.
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