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Seems like a good deal for both teams.

If Josh Freeman takes the next step, Bucs will be in really good shape for the next 5+ seasons. Jets now have two picks in the top 15. Very nice.
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Did he not get a signing bonus?
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Still way to much damn money for a CB, way to much. Who would of thought a DB could make that much money.
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He probably won't even need to be all that great against the Saints because the Bucs will put up 30+ points on that wretched Saints defense with ease.

As long as Revis & the rest of the defense can hold the Saints to 28 or so points, it's an easy win for the Bucs.
You know the Buccaneers got shut out 41-0 the last time they played New Orleans right?
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Still way to much damn money for a CB, way to much. Who would of thought a DB could make that much money.
After years of not spending I don't care about the money. I just didn't want to give up to much in draft picks, we didn't mortgage our future giving up a first and third.
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If the Bucs can hit on their first two picks in the draft, they should compete. Only problem will be Freeman holding us back. Hopefully he continues to improve.
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Still way to much damn money for a CB, way to much. Who would of thought a DB could make that much money.
You're right! Why haven't they traded for Tebow, paid him $90 million, and laughed their way to a Super Bowl by now?
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Wow great point I forgot about that.

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The deal is absolutely idiotic or Revis. He's basically agreed to being franchised for the next five years.
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The deal is absolutely idiotic or Revis. He's basically agreed to being franchised for the next five years.
Not even. Franchise tag contracts are guaranteed each season. Plus the contract has to be 120% of the previous year's salary. Franchised for 5 years would have been much better for him.
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It's a shame that we face the Jets in Week 1.

Means we'll have to wait until Week 2 to see what Revis can do because Sanchez will be doing Revis' job for him in that game.
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The deal is absolutely idiotic or Revis. He's basically agreed to being franchised for the next five years.
That's what he wants. He'll get 32 million over the next 2 years bc theres no way Tampa cuts him, then either hold out and get cut, or demand guaranteed money and hold out.

This is a 2 year deal, then he plans on holding out again in 2 years to either get more money, get guaranteed money, or both.

He'll still be 30, young enough to make one more power move. He knows what he's doing. It's smart on his end if he can stay healthy.
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This is an awful trade for the Jets too. Basically they gave up a HOF CB for a 1st round pick. Awful. The chances of that player they draft being a Pro Bowler is probably 25%.

All they did was save money. As a fan, why do you care? It's not your money. And they're not gonna spend that money on other players anyway.

This was just a bad move for them.
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This is an awful trade for the Jets too. Basically they gave up a HOF CB for a 1st round pick. Awful. The chances of that player they draft being a Pro Bowler is probably 25%.

All they did was save money. As a fan, why do you care? It's not your money. And they're not gonna spend that money on other players anyway.

This was just a bad move for them.
Idzik had no choice with Woody's refusal to pay Revis. (Don't get me started on Woody).

I just hope that Idzik can flip either #9 or #13 (or both) for late first/second round picks. They'll also get a compensatory pick next year for Revis so hopefully this trade will result in 4+ picks in the top 3 rounds in the next 2 years. For a team that desperately needs to inject talent into the roster, I'll take it.
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Idzik had no choice with Woody's refusal to pay Revis. (Don't get me started on Woody).

I just hope that Idzik can flip either #9 or #13 (or both) for late first/second round picks. They'll also get a compensatory pick next year for Revis so hopefully this trade will result in 4+ picks in the top 3 rounds in the next 2 years. For a team that desperately needs to inject talent into the roster, I'll take it.
I'm not blaming Idzik. This is all Woody Johnson. He's an awful owner. I bet Idzik didn't want to make this trade, but Woody has been forcing their hand on it.

What's done is done now, and hopefully Idzik can make the most of it. But this was a bad trade.

The thing that annoys me the most is when people say the Jets can't be competitive in the next 2 years so keeping him was useless. That's a ton of crap. The NFL is so cyclicle and there's so much parity. If they hit on a franchise qb in the next 2 years, who will be very affordable for the first 5 years of his career, they could have competed just like anyone else, and Revis could have been a huge part of that.

It's unfortunate. Woody is doing his best James Dolan impression right now and he's destroying the team.
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Woody has been doing a solid Dolan impression for a couple years now. They have to find a way to win in spite of him. We're just going to have a trust Idzik to rebuild this team into a competitor.

I'm not delusional, but I agree that they might be a year or two away from competing for a wild card spot. They have young guys who are expected to be important contributors next year (Wilkerson, Coples, Kerley, Davis). They have solid-to-probowl quality veterans who will lead the team (Mangold, Ferguson, Holmes, Harris, Cromartie). Hopefully the free agent signings will pan out and help shore up some serious positions of need for us. Also, they need the underachievers to step up (Wilson, Ducasse, Hill). There is at least some sort of foundation there.
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Woody has been doing a solid Dolan impression for a couple years now. They have to find a way to win in spite of him. We're just going to have a trust Idzik to rebuild this team into a competitor.

I'm not delusional, but I agree that they might be a year or two away from competing for a wild card spot. They have young guys who are expected to be important contributors next year (Wilkerson, Coples, Kerley, Davis). They have solid-to-probowl quality veterans who will lead the team (Mangold, Ferguson, Holmes, Harris, Cromartie). Hopefully the free agent signings will pan out and help shore up some serious positions of need for us. Also, they need the underachievers to step up (Wilson, Ducasse, Hill). There is at least some sort of foundation there.
If you think about it, their needs are overstated.

On defense, they need a pass rusher, ILBs, and safeties (if they had Revis, now they need a CB too).

ILBs can be found cheap later in the draft, and had they kept Revis, the safeties in their scheme could be found relatively cheap and later as well bc they wouldn't need stud safeties. So their defense was fine. They wouldve been absolutely fine on defense after this draft.

On offense, they have weapons. It's crap when people say they don't have weapons. They do. Holmes is still a very good WR, Kerley is perfectly fine in the slot, and you project Hill to become a good #2. That's good enough. They need OL and a RB. RBs can be found anywhere any time, so really they just need OL and a QB.

Who's to say all of that couldn't have been addressed in 2 years? It's really not that bad. And as far as OL goes, a good qb makes the OL look better anyway.

So I really think this team could have been (and still could be) competitive with 2 good drafts. They're a lot more talented then people give them credit for.
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If you think about it, their needs are overstated.

On defense, they need a pass rusher, ILBs, and safeties (if they had Revis, now they need a CB too).

ILBs can be found cheap later in the draft, and had they kept Revis, the safeties in their scheme could be found relatively cheap and later as well bc they wouldn't need stud safeties. So their defense was fine. They wouldve been absolutely fine on defense after this draft.

On offense, they have weapons. It's crap when people say they don't have weapons. They do. Holmes is still a very good WR, Kerley is perfectly fine in the slot, and you project Hill to become a good #2. That's good enough. They need OL and a RB. RBs can be found anywhere any time, so really they just need OL and a QB.

Who's to say all of that couldn't have been addressed in 2 years? It's really not that bad. And as far as OL goes, a good qb makes the OL look better anyway.

So I really think this team could have been (and still could be) competitive with 2 good drafts. They're a lot more talented then people give them credit for.
I think the Jets situation is accurately assessed as bleak. Every team has some level of quality talent on it at a given point in time, and there is always the capacity to turnover a roster (Broncos are a prime example), but the Jets don't have a lot to build off of. They have 2 quality OLmen, a fringe pro bowl 5 tech, a couple of #2 receivers, a run stuffing ILB, and one lockdown corner coming off the best season of his career.

The rest of the roster is an absolute mess though. They can't bring in quality vets into camp because of their cap woes, and they lost quite a few useful players this past offseason. Guys like Pouha, Moore, Keller, Scott, Devito, and Landry while not perfect players do give you a bit more usually than your typical late round forced into a starter too early type.

The problem with the Jets has always partially been the reluctance to pull the plug on starters who aren't getting it done. That's how Sanchez, Greene, Slauson, E. Smith, Kyle Wilson, and a whole slew of others managed to stick around for so long. Now they're starting the cycle all over again because they have too many needs and not enough resources to fill those needs. There is 0 depth and they're simply handing starting spots over to Ellis, Ducasse, and Demarrio Davis because they don't really have a choice. They're not going to be able to create enough competition to avoid complacency.

Also there is the simple fact that there are no difference makers besides Cro, Wilkerson, Mangold, and Ferguson on that team, and frankly none of those guys are good enough to consistently win you games. They need a QB, 2 OLB's, a rangey safety, a #2 corner, a true #1 receiver (If Hill doesn't develop), multiple OLmen, and they're one of the few teams that need a true difference maker at RB instead of a JAG like Greene. That's a huge haul considering teams usually get 2-3 quality players per draft.

Also there is a lame duck head coach and a team that got accustomed to getting blown out last season. Not to mention they just traded the best player in franchise history for pennies on the dollar. This is highly unlikely to end well for Ryan or Idzik.

*Also I wasn't particularly impressed with the defense last season, and they're going to be incredibly shallow this year.

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The thing is, no roster is gonna be complete. Every roster has holes, if we go down the list of "needs" you can state a good 6 to 7 needs per team for every team in this league.

The question is, can the team address enough needs to be competitive?

I believe the answer is yes, IF they get a quarterback. That's the million dollar need right now. That OL? It will look ALOT better when a competent qb is throwing behind it. Those WRs? They'll look a lot better when a good qb is throwing to them. RB? Dime a dozen.

On defense, their needs are at positions that they can easily fix. ILB and Safety can be solved easily in that scheme, they just need a pass rusher.

Had they kept Revis, they were in my eyes, a qb and a pass rusher away from being a team that can compete. Bc the other needs will solve themselves. It's not hte end of the world to have a need at ILB, Safety, and G.
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The thing is, no roster is gonna be complete. Every roster has holes, if we go down the list of "needs" you can state a good 6 to 7 needs per team for every team in this league.

The question is, can the team address enough needs to be competitive?

I believe the answer is yes, IF they get a quarterback. That's the million dollar need right now. That OL? It will look ALOT better when a competent qb is throwing behind it. Those WRs? They'll look a lot better when a good qb is throwing to them. RB? Dime a dozen.

On defense, their needs are at positions that they can easily fix. ILB and Safety can be solved easily in that scheme, they just need a pass rusher.

Had they kept Revis, they were in my eyes, a qb and a pass rusher away from being a team that can compete. Bc the other needs will solve themselves. It's not hte end of the world to have a need at ILB, Safety, and G.
Every team has needs, but most teams don't have gaping holes at over half the spots on the roster with no team identity. The Jets are no longer a ground and pound team, and they no longer have a dominant secondary. They look like they should have a good dline, but that is dependent on Coples and Ellis who aren't exactly the kind of guys who should respond well to being handed starting spots on a bad team.

The needs are simply too numerous, and barring some extreme good fortune like Seattle had its not likely to just work itself out immediately. Also, the core that they do have are all creeping up on 30. Cro, Brick, Mangold, Holmes, and Harris are all 29 and they could start to decline at any moment. They have no identity, a ton of needs, and the players they do have are in the mature phase of their primes. There isn't any way to skew this into an optimistic situation.
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The thing is, no roster is gonna be complete. Every roster has holes, if we go down the list of "needs" you can state a good 6 to 7 needs per team for every team in this league.

The question is, can the team address enough needs to be competitive?

I believe the answer is yes, IF they get a quarterback. That's the million dollar need right now. That OL? It will look ALOT better when a competent qb is throwing behind it. Those WRs? They'll look a lot better when a good qb is throwing to them. RB? Dime a dozen.

On defense, their needs are at positions that they can easily fix. ILB and Safety can be solved easily in that scheme, they just need a pass rusher.

Had they kept Revis, they were in my eyes, a qb and a pass rusher away from being a team that can compete. Bc the other needs will solve themselves. It's not hte end of the world to have a need at ILB, Safety, and G.
I actually tend to agree with parts of what you and Cmarq are saying. For 25 starters the Jets aren't a horrible team and they do have talent, however what happens if Cro and Wilkerson go down on defense? What would have been a serviceable unit becomes a putrid mess. What if D'Brick goes down? They have nobody to play LT.

If the NFL was won and last by your base starters the Jets would be a middle of the road team this year, however their depth is non-existant.

I really see the temptation to get a pass rusher and someone like Austin with the firsts they have, but they would likely be better suited to move at least one of them and get some more picks (easier said than done of course).

And the Jets have to get depth from the draft, as Cmarq mentioned they can't even bring camp bodies in due to their cap situation.

Really, as far as absolute needs they need;

QB
RB - possibly Ivory???
OLB
ILB
S
CB
TE

They could also use depth along the offensive and defensive lines and another WR to at the very least push Hill. There is only so much they can do in the draft, that if they can fill 2 or 3 holes and add some depth then it has been a relatively good job.
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The Jets need help everywhere. They need more picks because they need more quality players. They finished very well in pass defense without Revis last year. Having him on the roster maybe gets the Jets one more win if they're lucky. He's a great player, but a luxury. A shutdown corner isn't going to give you more wins. Then you have the issues of him wanting to be one of the highest paid defenders ever with the possibility of him whining about his contract situation again in two minutes. And he's coming off an injury.

With the picks that the Jets get from Revis, they might just find their quarterback of the future. Franchise quarterbacks are hard to find. That is why some teams like the Bills and Browns haven't had one in years.
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I'm tellin ya guys, I really think the Jets are gonna do better this year than people think. I think their floor is 6-10, I can see them going 8-8 with the right bounces.

This isn't a 3-13, 4-12 team. A lot of their needs are exaggerrated. They have talent, it's just hard to see it bc a terrible qb hides talent across the offense. It's not a coincidence that you see a team that looks abysmal on offense draft a qb with the same exact unit, and look infinitely better immediately. That's not an accident. A bad qb makes everyone look bad.

Yes, they have depth problems. But you can't predict health.
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The Jets need help everywhere. They need more picks because they need more quality players. They finished very well in pass defense without Revis last year. Having him on the roster maybe gets the Jets one more win if they're lucky. He's a great player, but a luxury. A shutdown corner isn't going to give you more wins. Then you have the issues of him wanting to be one of the highest paid defenders ever with the possibility of him whining about his contract situation again in two minutes. And he's coming off an injury.

With the picks that the Jets get from Revis, they might just find their quarterback of the future. Franchise quarterbacks are hard to find. That is why some teams like the Bills and Browns haven't had one in years.
The Jets also have a dearth of talent and no identity. Revis was their identity and they traded him away for a couple of picks. People are acting like Revis is somehow in the way of getting them a franchise QB. They won't be able to afford any QB that they wouldn't have otherwise been able to with him either by cap or by picks. There is some weird correlation that people are applying to Revis that he is somehow what is causing their lack of a QB. He's no more in the way of the Jets getting a QB than Matthews is in GB, Ngata is in Baltimore, or Calvin Johnson is in Detroit. Revis was a huge difference maker and they traded him away entirely because their owner is an idiot, not because he was stopping then from getting a franchise QB.
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