March 7th Mock - Page 2

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Lacy doesn't seem like he'd be a good fit and there aren't any LTs worth taking at that spot. Elam would start right away at SS over McMillian.

When you have two good (and young) SS's you don't go and draft another in the first round. If we're getting a safety it's going to be a FS.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

When you have two good (and young) SS's you don't go and draft another in the first round. If we're getting a safety it's going to be a FS.

Who would the Packers take then given the board they have in this mock? Lacy? Don't think he'd be an ideal fit there, so who else if not Lacy?

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Who would the Packers take then given the board they have in this mock? Lacy? Don't think he'd be an ideal fit there, so who else if not Lacy?

Would probably be easier to name players I wouldn't take over Matt Elam there.

But okay:

J Williams
Hankins
Lacy
Hopkins
Te'o
Cyprien
Short
Ertz
Minter
S Williams
Brown
Watson
Carradine
Jenkins
Greene
Amerson
Hunt
Woods
Bernard
Hunter
Patton
Escobar

DiG · 03-07-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Who would you have the Redskins take there instead? Hunt would be an ideal scheme fit, is solid value, and is a position of need.

Position of need? Until we cut Carriker, I wouldnt have DE in the Skins top 5 even for needs. CB, S (SS and FS), RT, TE, ILB, and even RB/WR are more of a need at this point than DE. Even if we cut Carriker, I'd still consider DLine a late round need for depth moreso than 2nd round. Jarvis came on well at the end of the year and I imagine he will continue to progress and Bowen has been very solid on the other side. Based on your mock, Patton, Hunter, Logan Ryan, Robert Alford, Duke Williams (I am higher on Duke than most), even Escobar would be better picks.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Would probably be easier to name players I wouldn't take over Matt Elam there.

But okay:

J Williams
Hankins
Lacy
Hopkins
Te'o
Cyprien
Short
Ertz
Minter
S Williams
Brown
Watson
Carradine
Jenkins
Greene
Amerson
Hunt
Woods
Bernard
Hunter
Patton
Escobar

A 1st round NT, WR, ILB or CB is going to get playing time right? Escobar or Patton 1st round you're just trolling.

Short would make sense if Worthy's 2013 status is in question. Cyprien would have a harder time getting on the field than Elam I really don't see how that makes much sense. He's also widely regarded as the 3rd best safety behind Elam still...

fenikz · 03-07-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Where are you getting that Johnson isn't that far behind Fisher? Everything I've seen thus far indicates that the gap from Joeckel/Fisher to Johnson is pretty big. Not as big as Johnson to the next LT but still, I haven't seen anyone indicate that Lane Johnson would be worth the #7 pick, I even thought 11 to SD was stretching it but I think that's mainly due to his value getting artificially increased from the lack of solid LTs after him.

watching tape. johnson even has the most upside

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

watching tape. johnson even has the most upside

What about the tape? What scouts and evaluators have said Johnson isn't far behind? Who's boards have Johnson right behind or ahead of either Fisher or Joeckel? Simply saying Johnson isn't far behind Fisher or Joeckel doesn't make it so.

Also I never questioned Johnson's upside, however Fisher and Joeckel have huge ceilings as well so that isn't really advantage Johnson by any means.

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

A 1st round NT, WR, ILB or CB is going to get playing time right? Escobar or Patton 1st round you're just trolling.

A 1st round NT? Yes they could get playing time. BJ Raji and Pickett are the only big guys we have. Raji hasn't been all that great recently and i'd be surprised if Pickett is with us past next year.

A 1st round WR? Yes. They would be the #4 receiver. We use a lot of spread/multiple receiver sets. Jordy Nelson and Cobb both had injuries last season. Jones' contract is up soon. Cobb was our #4 receiver this year and he had 80 receptions, 900 yards and 8 TD's.

A 1st round ILB. Hell yes. AJ Hawk sucks. Brad Jones is not really an ILB and he also sucks. DJ Smith and Desmond Bishop are both coming back from season ending injuries. And DJ Smith is a solid starter at best.

I didn't name a single CB in that list, soo....Amerson would be playing FS for us. Because FS is actually a need...

I didn't say we should take Escobar or Patton in the 1st. I said I would take them over Matt Elam. And quite frankly I think Matt Elam in the first is just as bad Escobar and Patton. Add in the fact that SS is not a position of need and it's a horrible, horrible pick.

Stop making mock drafts and stop trying to use logic. You aren't very good at either.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

A 1st round NT? Yes they could get playing time. BJ Raji and Pickett are the only big guys we have. Raji hasn't been all that great recently and i'd be surprised if Pickett is with us past next year.

A 1st round WR? Yes. They would be the #4 receiver. We use a lot of spread sets. Jordy Nelson and Cobb both had injuries last season. Jones' contract is up soon. Cobb was out #4 receiver this year and he 80 receptions, 900 yards and 8 TD's.

A 1st round ILB. Hell yes. AJ Hawk sucks. Brad Jones is not really an ILB and is average at best. DJ Smith and Desmond Bishop are both coming back from season ending injuries. And DJ Smith is a solid starter at best.

I didn't name a single CB in that list, soo....Amerson would be playing FS for us. Because FS is actually a need...

I didn't say we should take Escobar or Patton in the 1st. I said I would take them over Matt Elam. And quite frankly I think Matt Elam in the first is just as bad Escobar and Patton. Add in the fact that SS is not a position of need and it's a horrible, horrible pick.

You're trolling. A 4th WR in the 1st round or 5th ILB (you also forgot you drafted Terrell Manning in the 3rd round last year too) would be solid but a SS that many have 1st round grades on when you're projecting a sub package 4th round safety from last year as your new starter, no no that's the terrible pick.

fenikz · 03-07-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

What about the tape? What scouts and evaluators have said Johnson isn't far behind? Who's boards have Johnson right behind or ahead of either Fisher or Joeckel? Simply saying Johnson isn't far behind Fisher or Joeckel doesn't make it so.

Also I never questioned Johnson's upside, however Fisher and Joeckel have huge ceilings as well so that isn't really advantage Johnson by any means.

why would i base my opinions off of someone elses?

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Stop making mock drafts and stop trying to use logic. You aren't very good at either.

LOL right man, your logic is flawless though I'm sure.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

why would i base my opinions off of someone elses?

Thousands of people getting paid money to evaluate prospects are probably going to be right more often than you are. It's deflating to your ego, I know, but true none the less.

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

You're trolling. A 4th WR in the 1st round or 5th ILB (you also forgot you drafted Terrell Manning in the 3rd round last year too) would be solid but a SS that many have 1st round grades on when you're projecting a sub package 4th round safety from last year as your new starter, no no that's the terrible pick.

We drafted Cobb in the 2nd when we had Jennigs, Nelson, Jones AND a Jermichael Finley that actually did catching. And as I said Jones' could be gone next season. We aren't just drafting for this season. Teams aren't that short sighted.

A 1st round pick at ILB wouldn't be out 5th ILB, they would be our starting ILB. We didn't draft Manning in the 3rd round and from what was reported he sucked anyway, hence why he was behind Brad Jones on the depth chart.

The problem with Elam is that it would mean keeping Morgan Burnett and FS. He isn't a FS and he's average when he plays there. He's good when he's playing SS. Also, McMillian was good last year when he played.

Funny how Terrell Manning a 5th round pick (who hasn't even played, let alone played well) is a reason why we shouldn't pick a ILB in the first round, but McMillian who was picked a round before him and actually played well isn't good enough to stop us from drafting an overrated strong safety in the first round.

There you go again using that terrible logic of yours...

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

ayed.

Funny how Terrell Manning a 5th round pick (who hasn't even played, let alone played well) is a reason why we shouldn't pick a ILB in the first round, but McMillian who was picked a round before him and actually played well isn't good enough to stop us from drafting an overrated strong safety in the first round.

There you go again using that terrible logic of yours...

Yes he's the entire reason, not the fact that you have 5 other ILBs on the roster. 3 of whom would be better than any ILB you took there. Elam would for sure be a better option than McMillian however. You're really hot headed for someone who is allegedly such a big fan of logic.

fenikz · 03-07-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Thousands of people getting paid money to evaluate prospects are probably going to be right more often than you are. It's deflating to your ego, I know, but true none the less.

who? not scott wright, mike mayock or mel kiper

Toonster & TACKLE >>>>

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

who? not scott wright, mike mayock or mel kiper

Toonster & TACKLE >>>>

Huh? I have no idea what that was even supposed to mean...

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Yes he's the entire reason, not the fact that you have 5 other ILBs on the roster. 3 of whom would be better than any ILB you took there. Elam would for sure be a better option than McMillian however. You're really hot headed for someone who is allegedly such a big fan of logic.

But no.

AJ Hawk sucks major dick. Brad Jones sucks major dick. DJ Smith is solid at best and coming back from a season ending injury. Desmond Bishop is a very good player but is also coming back from season ending injury and has proven to be quite injury prone.

And again, Elam at SS means we have a weak spot at FS and we have 3 SS's. **** off with Matt Elam.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

But no.

AJ Hawk sucks major dick. Brad Jones sucks major dick. DJ Smith is solid at best and coming back from a season ending injury. Desmond Bishop is a very good player but is also coming back from season ending injury and has proven to be quite injury prone.

And again, Elam at SS means we have a weak spot at FS and we have 3 SS's. **** off with Matt Elam.

If statement A were true why is he still on the team? Isn't he making a healthy salary for someone who is bad? Smith and Bishop being injury prone isn't really a good enough reason to take a 1st rounder at that position. Especially if they're not BPA

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

If statement A were true why is he still on the team? Isn't he making a healthy salary for someone who is bad? Smith and Bishop being injury prone isn't really a good enough reason to take a 1st rounder at that position. Especially if they're not BPA

1. His contract also sucks major dick.

2. WE HAVE NO ONE TO REPLACE HIM WITH.

Arthur Brown and Kevin Minter would both be upgrades over everyone other than Desmond Bishop.

49erNation85 · 03-07-2013, 04:10 PM

A very meh picks for sf. Needs are right though.

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 04:14 PM

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1. His contract also sucks major dick.

2. WE HAVE NO ONE TO REPLACE HIM WITH.

Arthur Brown and Kevin Minter would both be upgrades over everyone other than Desmond Bishop.

And Elam would not be an upgrade over Jeron McMillian?

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

And Elam would not be an upgrade over Jeron McMillian?

Robcards · 03-07-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Sweet. Guess that means I win

SuperPacker · 03-07-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards

Sweet. Guess that means I win

Pat Sims 90 · 03-07-2013, 05:28 PM

If DJ Flucker is there for the Bengals that is who they should take. Andre Smith is likely not coming back with his too high asking price plus I don't see Ogletree to the Bengals in the 1st. They have put higher value on character with higher draft picks.