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Old 06-05-2013, 01:33 AM    (permalink
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I like that the Bears are giving him a tryout. It's the smart thing to do, since there's a potential payout with zero risk involved.

That being said, I don't see him getting a contract. I hated his NFL prospects even when he was at LSU. I think he's got a ten cent brain; he's just not a smart guy. He sounds like a mongoloid...or a running back.

...of course, I was 100% sold on Brady Quinn.
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I wouldn't mind if the Texans tried him out. Even if he was 350 pounds, he would still be better than TJ Yates.
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The Bears are one of the perfect teams for him. Trestman is a QB's kind of head coach. Jake is there so he knows he's the backup.

If his head and heart are fully into becoming the best player and person he can become. Then why couldn't he become at least a backup in the NFL. Worth the shot. Would be a great story of someone over coming their demons.
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story...o-bears-friday

Apparently the correct answer may be da Bears.
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I'm rooting for him. After uncle ray ray died he went into a deep depression which brought on the purple drank.
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None ....... Tebow's a better QB. And Tebow can't throw.
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I'm rooting for him. After uncle ray ray died he went into a deep depression which brought on the purple drank.
He definitely ate his sorrows away.
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It is just wrong that the bears are giving him a try out . Where Tebow can't even get one. Just wrong. Screw you NFL.
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Jacksonville and Cleveland?
Henne is an average solid backup, I don't feel good criticizing Gabbert because he played for three coaches in two seasons, but I'd take Jacksonville because I like Matt Scott and Jordan Rodgers as prospects who could develop over time. And with Cleveland, I'd take Weeden over any of Tennessee's QBs right now. Fitzpatrick sucks, unlike Gabbert Locker had a year to sit and learn from a veteran and has played for the same HC and still hasn't shown anything, and Enderle and Rusty Smith might not even be backups in this league.
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I think having an expensive backup qb is one of the worst allocation of resources you can have. Why pay anything more than the bare minimum for a player who never plays a game unless your starting qb gets hurt, and typically loses 80% of those games anyway?

It's just dumb. It makes no sense at all. I'd just spend a 4th round pick or later on a backup qb every 3 years or so.
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The Bears are one of the perfect teams for him. Trestman is a QB's kind of head coach. Jake is there so he knows he's the backup.
Damn, I've been spelling Jake Utler's name wrong for years now
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I'm rooting for him. After uncle ray ray died he went into a deep depression which brought on the purple drank.
Not to be rude, but that dude was a lazy POS with or without ray ray being around coming out of LSU.
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I think having an expensive backup qb is one of the worst allocation of resources you can have. Why pay anything more than the bare minimum for a player who never plays a game unless your starting qb gets hurt, and typically loses 80% of those games anyway?

It's just dumb. It makes no sense at all. I'd just spend a 4th round pick or later on a backup qb every 3 years or so.
Depends on the player honestly. Take Frank Reich, he was the perfect backup QB to have. Or a situation like Steve Young in SF or Aaron Rodgers in GBm who where the heirs apparent to HOF QBs.
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Not to be rude, but that dude was a lazy POS with or without ray ray being around coming out of LSU.
I think we all know it is impossible be a lazy POS while being a QB for Jimbo Fisher.
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I think we all know it is impossible be a lazy POS while being a QB for Jimbo Fisher.
Oh c'mon, he turned it on for one year and then reverted to his normal self.

Lazy coming into LSU....Worked Hard for Jimbo for one year...Got drafted #1...Went back to laziness.
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The Hertz car rental team at LAX would be a nice spot for him. Other than that not sure he'd add any value.
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Depends on the player honestly. Take Frank Reich, he was the perfect backup QB to have. Or a situation like Steve Young in SF or Aaron Rodgers in GBm who where the heirs apparent to HOF QBs.
Different eras. There was no free agency back then. They can afford to keep an expensive backup. Nowadays every penny counts. If you have a franchise qb and you're not trying to groom his replacement (like the Favre situation), then you shouldn't waste money on a guy who provides such little value to your team.

Think about what you can do with the 1.5 million dollars you saved against the cap. That's an extra player.
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I like that the Bears are giving him a tryout. It's the smart thing to do, since there's a potential payout with zero risk involved.

That being said, I don't see him getting a contract. I hated his NFL prospects even when he was at LSU. I think he's got a ten cent brain; he's just not a smart guy. He sounds like a mongoloid...or a running back.

...of course, I was 100% sold on Brady Quinn.
I wasnt sold on JaMarcus, soley because he to me was a one game wonder that had a rocket arm... much like the old Nike slogan "Chicks did the long ball", GMs dig the long ball... That being said he did have some flashes, but having played for Oakland where 1) they didnt have a stable system in place and 2) he didnt seem dedicated...


But i was right there with you on Brady Quinn but i think much like the raiders going to an unstable organization like the Browns didnt help him and he never really got another chance, whether that was playing behind the circus known as Tebowmania or for the Cheifs that finally cut the chord from Cassell... I still think he had the tools and mind to play QB in the NFL, i think his chance of being a team's QB has past him.
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Different eras. There was no free agency back then. They can afford to keep an expensive backup. Nowadays every penny counts. If you have a franchise qb and you're not trying to groom his replacement (like the Favre situation), then you shouldn't waste money on a guy who provides such little value to your team.

Think about what you can do with the 1.5 million dollars you saved against the cap. That's an extra player.
See im still a firm beleiver in the sit for a little bit... I mean i understand the college kids are running more pro style systems and what not... but people like Carson Palmer and Aaron Rogers are still a perfect example of what learning how to be a pro, learning and honing the skills it takes for sucess is invaluable...


So often you see a QB that has the tools but never really pans out because lets face it, if you are thrown in on a bad team you are only going to build up bad habits and its kind of sink or swin..and with how good NFL defences are a 21 or 22 might likely sink.

This is very relevant with passing QBs, if you have someone like a RG3 or Cam Newton they can make up for the lack of skill on teams with their running ability, but if you are say... JaMarcus Russel you are not going to make something out of nothing when you cant run away.


I think what Denver is doing with Brock Osweiler is great.. taking a guy that decided to come out early in the 2nd round that many say would have been a top 10 pick in this years draft had he stayed and let him learn behind Peyton Manning should(hopefully) pay off.


With that being said could Denver have picked up another key player instead? yeah...but the value of a franchise QB speaks for itself, and if you can pick up an Aaron Rogers type and let him learn behind a sure fire HOFer it is worth the pick.


But having the luxary of doing so means you have to have a stable franchise and have a plan in place... teams that NEED QBs usually do not have that luxary as the coaches and GMs are on the hotseat.

David Carr comes to mind when you dont have skill around and you rush a QB in.... minus he played behind one of the worst olines ever hence why he was sacked so much, it still proves the Cam Newton, RG3 and Luck type of rookie success is not the norm.. you have the JaMarcus, Matt Leinart, Vince Youngs, David Carrs that sank instead of swam when throw in.
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It is just wrong that the bears are giving him a try out . Where Tebow can't even get one. Just wrong. Screw you NFL.
Well, he IS about twice the passer that Tebow is.

So are Vince Young, Trent Edwards, Tarvaris Jackson, and a slew of other borderline backups.
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See im still a firm beleiver in the sit for a little bit... I mean i understand the college kids are running more pro style systems and what not... but people like Carson Palmer and Aaron Rogers are still a perfect example of what learning how to be a pro, learning and honing the skills it takes for sucess is invaluable...


So often you see a QB that has the tools but never really pans out because lets face it, if you are thrown in on a bad team you are only going to build up bad habits and its kind of sink or swin..and with how good NFL defences are a 21 or 22 might likely sink.

This is very relevant with passing QBs, if you have someone like a RG3 or Cam Newton they can make up for the lack of skill on teams with their running ability, but if you are say... JaMarcus Russel you are not going to make something out of nothing when you cant run away.


I think what Denver is doing with Brock Osweiler is great.. taking a guy that decided to come out early in the 2nd round that many say would have been a top 10 pick in this years draft had he stayed and let him learn behind Peyton Manning should(hopefully) pay off.


With that being said could Denver have picked up another key player instead? yeah...but the value of a franchise QB speaks for itself, and if you can pick up an Aaron Rogers type and let him learn behind a sure fire HOFer it is worth the pick.


But having the luxary of doing so means you have to have a stable franchise and have a plan in place... teams that NEED QBs usually do not have that luxary as the coaches and GMs are on the hotseat.

David Carr comes to mind when you dont have skill around and you rush a QB in.... minus he played behind one of the worst olines ever hence why he was sacked so much, it still proves the Cam Newton, RG3 and Luck type of rookie success is not the norm.. you have the JaMarcus, Matt Leinart, Vince Youngs, David Carrs that sank instead of swam when throw in.
Honestly, I think you're either ready or not. Bad qbs will fail regardless of their situation, and good quarterbacks will succeed regardless of their situation. It's really just excuses.

David Carr was going to stink regardless of his situation. Same with Sanchez, same with Joey Harrington etc. The league is much more qb friendly now, you can tell within 2 years if your qb is going to succeed or not.

There's really no need for these guys to sit anymore. Look at Kevin Kolb. Sat for what, 3 years? Still sucked.

You either got it or you don't.
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Honestly, I think you're either ready or not. Bad qbs will fail regardless of their situation, and good quarterbacks will succeed regardless of their situation. It's really just excuses.

David Carr was going to stink regardless of his situation. Same with Sanchez, same with Joey Harrington etc. The league is much more qb friendly now, you can tell within 2 years if your qb is going to succeed or not.

There's really no need for these guys to sit anymore. Look at Kevin Kolb. Sat for what, 3 years? Still sucked.

You either got it or you don't.
If you line up as a prototypical QB behind the line the texans had in front of Carr... you cant do much if you are getting sacked before you can drop back... I really feel like he was put in a terrible situtation..

And yeah you either have it or you dont... But being Kolb or Matt Flynn is different than being a 1st or 2nd round QB. They had like 1 or 2 good games and desperate teams thought it was enough...

Simply put sitting and learning and getting better if possible is great for a young QB, but you cant turn trash into gold... Kolb was trash and had a good game..



If you know your guy is retiring in a couple years (Farve or Manning) and you dont have alot of holes, taking a very talented guy to sit and learn how a HOF QB does things and prepares is great... But again not many teams have a HOF QB and not many are in a stable situation where they can select a guy high and let him learn.
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As perfectly illustrated by Steve Young in Tampa Bay.
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Well, he IS about twice the passer that Tebow is.

So are Vince Young, Trent Edwards, Tarvaris Jackson, and a slew of other borderline backups.
Um no Tebow is far better then Jackson. Nice attempt though.

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Um no Tebow is far better then Jackson. Nice attempt though.
Tim Tebow is the worst QB to ever play in the NFL.
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