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Old 05-04-2015, 05:59 PM    (permalink
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I'm going to list potential 2016 QB prospects who will fight for the #1 spot come next year.

Order varies for the moment. I will officially update this after the underclassmen deadline.


  1. Connor Cook Michigan State
  2. Cardale Jones Ohio State
  3. Christian Hackenberg Penn State
  4. Jacoby Brissett NC State
  5. Cody Kessler USC

Honorable mention
  • Dak Presscott Mississippi State
  • Kevin Hogan Stanford
  • Trevone Boykin TCU
  • Jared Goff California
  • Gunner Kiel Cincinnatti
  • Jeremy Johnson Auburn
  • Tyrone Swoopes Texas
  • Travis Wilson Utah
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Hard to say between Cardale and Cook. Should be quite a bit clearer mid season after Cardale is able to show more.
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I will just be curious if Cardale is still in the top 5 running next year or if he was a one year wonder.
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I would love to see Jacoby Brissett come in and pick up from last season strong.
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Kevin Hogan is awful. I know there are going to be quite a few people who like him, but no. He has shown no improvement whatsoever in the last three years. Tyrone Swoopes is even worse. There is no way he is a QB in the NFL. Jeremy Johnson will be interesting to watch. He is vastly superior to Nick Marshall as a QB. But will he get the chance to show it?

As for the top guys, Connor Cook seems good but not great (think Andy Dalton). Hackenberg is not a guy I like at all. But then again, I've only watched him three times. Hopefully I'll be able to take a better look at him this year. And then there is Cardale Jones. He could be Ben Roethlisberger but with only three games, it's way too early. He isn't even guaranteed to start next year.
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Brissett is not a top tier QB prospect. He has flashes, but his throwing ability is good for the college game. It's not NFL level.

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I will just be curious if Cardale is still in the top 5 running next year or if he was a one year wonder.
Will he even start over Barrett or Miller?
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I'm going to predict Hackenberg has a bounce back season and could go pretty high in the 2016 draft. The potential is there, I'll be watching him closely.
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Kevin Hogan is awful. I know there are going to be quite a few people who like him, but no. He has shown no improvement whatsoever in the last three years. Tyrone Swoopes is even worse. There is no way he is a QB in the NFL. Jeremy Johnson will be interesting to watch. He is vastly superior to Nick Marshall as a QB. But will he get the chance to show it?

As for the top guys, Connor Cook seems good but not great (think Andy Dalton). Hackenberg is not a guy I like at all. But then again, I've only watched him three times. Hopefully I'll be able to take a better look at him this year. And then there is Cardale Jones. He could be Ben Roethlisberger but with only three games, it's way too early. He isn't even guaranteed to start next year.
Tyrone Swoopes remind me of former FSU QB Xavier Lee.
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NC State's Jacoby Brissett has all the tools in the world. Size, arm strength and mobility.

Watch his game against FSU in 2014.

He needs more consistency, but he's a really nice prospect.


There's about 4 guys I see(Cook/Hackenberg/Brissett/Jones) who could potentially carry a 1st round grade in 2016, but I don't know if any of them would be considered 1/1 overall picks or even Heisman trophy finalists.

Hopefully Cardale Jones locks down the starting QB gig at OSU and continues the play he showed in the NC playoffs.

If Hackenberg can just play consistent football next year without a bunch of turnovers, some team is going fall in love with him in '16.
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1. Cardale Jone, Ohio State
2. Connor Cook, Michigan State
3. Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
4. Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati
5. Jared Goff, Califonia
6. Jacoby Brissett, NC State

That's my very early quarterback rankings.
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I see Jared Goff having a huge year for Cal if they have anything at all around him. The depth is going to be a lot better than this year. Whether anyone rises to the top of the draft i think remains to be seen.
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Jared Goff needs to be on this list. I guarantee that he will be rising up peoples boards as draft day nears. Not sure he will compete to be the number one QB or not (To be honest it is too early to tell for any of these guys).

Obviously, if you extrapolate Cardale's three games you would assume that with his physical tools he would be #1. However, extrapolation will get you in trouble, especially with such a small sample size.

If he wins the starting job, he still has a lot of improvements to make on his short-to-midrange game.

I think that he has a lot more flaws than people realize. Between having Zeke in the backfield and Tom Herman game planning to his strengths he was really able to hide a lot of his flaws.

Having said that, he is obviously a physical freak with tons of possible upside. Just too hard to tell.
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gotta agree. Hogan is a good college QB, nothing more. He was 'scrappy' as a freshman but hasn't advanced a ton since then. He has difficulty going through his reads and generally only looks at 1 or 2 guys. Real nice set of tools though so i could see a team using a late pick if he has a nice year. He is big, mobile, and has a strong arm. His motion is pretty bad still.

I want him to be successful for college reason but he isn't much of a prospect. Hopefully we can use our virtual reality and science magic to make him better. A good run game would help a lot this year.
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Jared Goff needs to be on this list. I guarantee that he will be rising up peoples boards as draft day nears. Not sure he will compete to be the number one QB or not (To be honest it is too early to tell for any of these guys).
The Air Raid under Dykes does nothing but hinder his development. Time and time again these QBs flop or cannot maintain any success. He will be no different.
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Jared Goff needs to be on this list. I guarantee that he will be rising up peoples boards as draft day nears. Not sure he will compete to be the number one QB or not (To be honest it is too early to tell for any of these guys).

Obviously, if you extrapolate Cardale's three games you would assume that with his physical tools he would be #1. However, extrapolation will get you in trouble, especially with such a small sample size.

If he wins the starting job, he still has a lot of improvements to make on his short-to-midrange game.

I think that he has a lot more flaws than people realize. Between having Zeke in the backfield and Tom Herman game planning to his strengths he was really able to hide a lot of his flaws.

Having said that, he is obviously a physical freak with tons of possible upside. Just too hard to tell.
The reason to why Cook is above all at the moment.
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Big, average speed -3 swagger
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Why is Jones getting so much hype for three games? And for a guy coming out of the urban Meyer system, which has yet to produce a backup level qbs.

Jones has great tools and size, but with one year(hopefully) and three games starting experience is that enough? Than again he could always not come out early.
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Why is Jones getting so much hype for three games? And for a guy coming out of the urban Meyer system, which has yet to produce a backup level qbs.

Jones has great tools and size, but with one year(hopefully) and three games starting experience is that enough? Than again he could always not come out early.
I'd be hard pressed to make a kid with at most 18 career starts from a Spread offense a 1st Round pick.
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Why is Jones getting so much hype for three games? And for a guy coming out of the urban Meyer system, which has yet to produce a backup level qbs.

Jones has great tools and size, but with one year(hopefully) and three games starting experience is that enough? Than again he could always not come out early.
Because not a lot of these guys displayed what he did in his 3 games. Obviously no one is anointing him as the #1 pick in the draft, but if he displays what he did last year he's got a shot. Only time will tell.
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I kind of lament the fact that Cardale Jones didn't declare, just because I was interested to see what would happen. It would quite possibly be the most important pre-draft process any player had ever had.
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I kind of lament the fact that Cardale Jones didn't declare, just because I was interested to see what would happen. It would quite possibly be the most important pre-draft process any player had ever had.
La'el Collins still takes the cake.
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I kind of lament the fact that Cardale Jones didn't declare, just because I was interested to see what would happen. It would quite possibly be the most important pre-draft process any player had ever had.
No team was spending a 1st Round pick on a kid with 3 starts, especially from a simplistic offense.
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No team was spending a 1st Round pick on a kid with 3 starts, especially from a simplistic offense.
I'm not sure I'd say no team would. Obviously he isn't close to being ready to play in the NFL, but I could see a team with a veteran QB approaching the end of his career (Arizona/Dallas/New Orleans) gambling on his physical tools.
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I'm going to list potential 2016 QB prospects who will fight for the #1 spot come next year.

Order varies for the moment. I will officially update this after the underclassmen deadline.


  1. Connor Cook Michigan State
  2. Cardale Jones Ohio State
  3. Christian Hackenberg Penn State
  4. Jared Goff California
  5. Gunner Kiel Cincinnatti
  6. Cody Kessler USC

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1. Cardale Jones, Ohio State
2. Connor Cook, Michigan State
3. Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
4. Gunner Kiel, Cincinnati
5. Jared Goff, Califonia
6. Cody Kessler, U.S.C.

7. Jacoby Brissett, NC State


That's my very early quarterback rankings.
I like your guys lists, they just needed a little tweaking ;)

People are sleeping on Kessler.
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I'm not sure I'd say no team would. Obviously he isn't close to being ready to play in the NFL, but I could see a team with a veteran QB approaching the end of his career (Arizona/Dallas/New Orleans) gambling on his physical tools.
He's conservatively 2 years away from contributing, maybe more because of how unprepared Meyer makes him for the NFL. I don't see any team passing over an immediate contributor (especially if they are a playoff contender) for one of the biggest projects in Draft history based off 3 games where teams had pretty much no film to breakdown.
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I don't think a 6'1" usc QB is gonna compete for top QB.
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