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Old 04-09-2013, 06:49 PM    (permalink
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Where do you see Rhodes fitting in best for the longevity of his career? At CB or FS? He has the size to play both and some question his stiffness and ability to play zone. I think initially he is best at CB, and then once he turns 30 move him to FS.
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Xavier Rhodes can't play FS in the NFL. I'm telling you that right now, without a doubt, he can not. He is a press coverage CB that would fit perfect in Tampa or Seattle (if they needed a CB). Truthfully, he is not even that stiff and does have very good recovery speed hence why he never got burned at FSU.
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Why would anyone thinks XR27 can play FS in the NFL is mind bottling.
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Does he lack the ability to play FS?
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Does he lack the ability to play FS?
Well FS is basically reading the play off of zone coverage for the most part right? Unless it is a play called for the safety closer to the line of scrimmage on a possible blitz/bump TE/WR.

Xavier's bad moments at FSU were always when Stoops was calling his BS zone coverage schemes where he backs the CB off 7-9 yds from the WR (For instance, 2nd half vs NC State). I bet if there was a stat for where the majority of the catches came from against Rhodes, it would be on 90% of those plays.

Xavier excels when he is in the WR's face and being physical when the ball is snapped. He has good enough speed to stay with WR's if the bump isn't effective.
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Yeah why are 'Noles fans so adamant that Rhodes can't play cover safety??
I assumed if most good corners were a little bigger, they would be good safeties.
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Well FS is basically reading the play off of zone coverage for the most part right? Unless it is a play called for the safety closer to the line of scrimmage on a possible blitz/bump TE/WR.

Xavier's bad moments at FSU were always when Stoops was calling his BS zone coverage schemes where he backs the CB off 7-9 yds from the WR (For instance, 2nd half vs NC State). I bet if there was a stat for where the majority of the catches came from against Rhodes, it would be on 90% of those plays.

Xavier excels when he is in the WR's face and being physical when the ball is snapped. He has good enough speed to stay with WR's if the bump isn't effective.
It's just a matter of understanding of what his assignment should be. For some, that can be more difficult compared to man. It's a mindless game when all you gotta do is stick to a guy and follow him if you got the skills. It's another thing when you have to think about your zone and pick up where your other teammate is handing off coverage. Wouldn't put it past a team to think they could coach him up in that area.

Some teams actually have bigger safety problems than corner problems. In a draft that is chalk full of SS prospects and zero elite FS prospects, a CB as big as Xavier...with his length, speed, jump ball skills and ability to stick on a guy deep. It looks pretty damn attractive.

My concern would only be if he's a piss poor tackler... and that doesn't seem to be the case.
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he could not play corner for the steelers, lebeau plays guys 6-8-10 yards off at CB he would get destroyed matched up like that.....or rather he would be wasted talent-wise like that. But i do think he could play FS....i love him as a corner, but he could very well be a conversion guy like rolle or malcolm jenkins, or like how many thought peterson would have to be but i dont think that he has to be.

I would like him at FS in the steelers defense (under lebeau at least), definitely not at corner....but a guy like amerson could thrive at CB in the steelers defense, but would probably HAVE to be a FS for a lot of teams. Its all schematic, i cant see Schiano passing on him, he is everything he looks for in a corner
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Schiano loves those big physical CB's. I just dont see him getting past Tampa either.
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revis trade or not that secondary was horrid last year.....rhodes, revis, barron, and goldson....what an upgrade that would be
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If they acquire Revis, there is zero chance they draft Rhodes.
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My favorite corner in this draft. Even over Millner. I would love to see him to the Colts but I'm sure he will be long gone.
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He scares me at any position.

Shuttle and cone numbers from his pro day have received zero press coverage, but really should have.

Shuttle: 4.65 seconds

Cone: 7.29 seconds

Both slower than any other DB at the Combine.

Bear in mind Eric Fisher ran the shuttle in 4.44 seconds and Lane Johnson the cone in 7.31 seconds and you see how poor Rhodes balance and change of direction is.
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Playing FS is an entirely different skillset vs playing man coverage as a CB.

As a press man CB, you run and chase. It's not complicated.

A FS has to be much more adapt to understanding zone. He has to read route combinations quickly and pick up the right man. He has to play off the ball. He has to play the entire offense, the formation, the route combinations, the run fits, everything. It's much more demanding mentally than press man CB.

That's why CBs who played great zone defense can transition to FS bc they have the skillset to do so. If you're a CB who's a bump and run guy, your skillset is entirely different from a FS.

Now that's not saying you can't develop those skills, it just says that what you've been asked to do is entirely different from what you would be asked to do as a FS.
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So long story short, bc Rhodes has excelled in bump and run and struggled with zone, there really is no evidence to suggest that he can play FS.

That doesn't mean he can't do it, it's just that the evidence we have on hand suggests otherwise.
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If they acquire Revis, there is zero chance they draft Rhodes.
I love when you use statements and call it a zero chance, it's one of my favorite things about this board. So tell me then, who is their #2 CB that they are so confident about? Since they obviously only need 1 CB.


I'm of the belief they want to keep #13 to draft another CB, it be different if they had a solid group but they don't. I think they should draft Trufrant instead of Rhodes. Plus, Revis isn't even 100% yet, so putting all their marbles into his basket and acting as if Eric Wright is any good is far more insane then drafting a CB.
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they are so dedicated to improving that horrible secondary (especially with the saints and falcons in the division) that saying zero chance is just wrong. They were great up front against the run, they need to work on their pass rush a bit and find a replacement for Roy Miller but its not like he was a world beater..CB would be a strong possibility, assuming they dont have to give that pick up for revis, which would be insane
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Why would anyone thinks XR27 can play FS in the NFL is mind bottling.
Is that a reference to the Ana Faris movie, "The House Bunny"? If so, well placed reference... if not, could you please explain what "mind bottling" means?
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He'll be just fine as a press corner. I see no issue with him. Might struggle on a defense that doesnt have a good pass rush, but you can say the same for just about all corners.
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Is that a reference to the Ana Faris movie, "The House Bunny"? If so, well placed reference... if not, could you please explain what "mind bottling" means?
It is a reference from the Will Ferrell movie Blades of Glory. I use it when something is too stupid to even be mind boggling.
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