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Old 04-09-2013, 11:11 PM    (permalink
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Default Jaws Doesn't Like Barkley or Tyler Wilson

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...terbacks-draft

Rated them 6th & 7th on his QB Class for this Draft.

Not sure if the link works.... or how much I can quote of it.

Again, Jaws has different opinions over the years than other former QBs, and scouts, coaches, etc... he's been right and wrong before many times.

But he is a goofy looking, jolly fella. Does he ever not laugh, giggle, when Gruden or anyone attempts a joke?
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If they draft a QB, I think it will be in round 2. If right, E.J. Manual may be the target.
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Where did you see this list.. I am not an ESPN Insider.. what were the rest of the rankings...
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I definitely respect Jaws opinion. He obviously knows what he is talking about when it comes to QBs but as you noted, he has been wrong before. He is awesome at watching film and diagnosing the flaws of a young QB.

I love Manuel obviously.
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I have Barkley and Wilson at 6th and 8th respectively. Have so for a long time. I would much rather take a chance on developing Bray and his ridiculous arm then settle for these two.
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I'd say he has it just about right.
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If they draft a QB, I think it will be in round 2. If right, E.J. Manual may be the target.
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Jaws has bray at 8th. and Dysert unranked.
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Jaws and Cossel must see the same thing. And I agree with them. Barkley just doesn't have the arm strength to be more than a backup qb in the NFL. His ceiling is mediocre starter. I woulnd't touch that type of qb until the 4th round, bc that's where I feel you can start going after backup qbs and not feel bad about it.
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Jaws has bray at 8th. and Dysert unranked.
what are the all the rankings...


Frankly Barkley Nassib and Wilson and should be ranked low are a all the same player 6'2 5.0 40 average arm strength Good to Medium Accuracy 63% barkley and Nassib and wilson 60%) and Low mobility in the pocket and take sacks..
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Landry Jones Should still be ranked higher than 4... Nassib has just barely above Barkley arm strength and isnt accurate enough avging 60% in college..

the knocks on Landry Jones are overblown and Teams will realize it.. Not every one in this class sux and Geno Manuel and Jones will all go in the first round in my opinion...

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Jaws and Cossel must see the same thing. And I agree with them. Barkley just doesn't have the arm strength to be more than a backup qb in the NFL. His ceiling is mediocre starter. I woulnd't touch that type of qb until the 4th round, bc that's where I feel you can start going after backup qbs and not feel bad about it.
Melo has more arm strength than those two stiffs.
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Likely the biggest shock here is to see Landry Jones at #4. He's a guy that was projected as a first round pick when he first took over for Sam Bradford, but has faded since. By the way, he's a pretty good cautionary tale to those who say a team should just wait until next year to get a QB because that class is supposedly going to be better.

Landry Jones Should still be ranked higher than 4... Nassib has just barely above Barkley arm strength and isnt accurate enough avging 60% in college..

Landry the knocks on Jones are overblown and Teams will realize it.. Not every one in this class sux and Geno Manuel and Jones will all go in the first round in my opinion...
What did Cam Newton/RG3/Luck all have as pro prospects that's remarkably absent from Landry Jones' resume??

They were all QBs who THRIVED playing under pressure situations in college.
Their coaches NEVER took the ball out of their hands in the 4th quarter, or in the redzone.

That's the reason why the shine has come off Jones. He's not clutch and doesn't handle adversity well on the field.

BTW Jaworski must think Tyler Bray has deep emotional problems. He doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt despite being world's more physically talented than most the QBs on his list.
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What did Cam Newton/RG3/Luck all have as pro prospects that's remarkably absent from Landry Jones' resume??

They were all QBs who THRIVED playing under pressure situations in college.
Their coaches NEVER took the ball out of their hands in the 4th quarter, or in the redzone.

That's the reason why the shine has come off Jones. He's not clutch and doesn't handle adversity well on the field.

BTW Jaworski must think Tyler Bray has deep emotional problems. He doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt despite being world's more physically talented than most the QBs on his list.
The Shine in the media's Eyes and the fans eyes has come off Jones because of the media repeating the claim that he is bad a pressure and not clutch not because it is True... Teams are going to look into it and and see that the claims are over blown...
Here is proof you are wrong.

1.SB nation printed a list ranking all 2013 QB's on pressure stats. Landry was number 1 at 3rd down conversion at 68% with no Int's.. That is the down when a QB is blitzed the most if folding under pressure was landry's fatal flaw he would be ranked last. and Landry ranked in the top 4-5 of all pressure stats. 2nd in the Red Zone..

2. Landry did well in Team Losses... against Number one Ranked ND Jones threw for 356 yards and 68% completion.. against #1 ranked Kansas State 299 yards 65% completion, Texas A and M 278 at 73% completion. Baylor 2011 against RG111 472 yards passing at 70% completion
3. late fourth quarter comeback wins. where Landry won 2 games down the stretch 50-49 against Geno 554 yards 74% completion 6 TD's and 200 QB rating. and OSU in over time 500 yards and 65%
4. Low Int to TD and Low Int and sack # compaired to his 2183 attempts the high attempts (700 more than Geno 1400 more than Manuel) means his completion percentage numbers are better, and he was pressured more than anyone else but had fewer Sacks and INT's than Most who threw alot less..
Ou line was not that good and the running game got bogged down in the red zone and so the bell dozer worked so they used it.. Jones was replaced in passing situations and never taken out in the 4th Quarter..


A hand full of bad plays doesn't erase 16,647 yards and 123 TD's against top 25 competition.. There is no fatal flaw Jones goes first- early 2nd..
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Check out Landry Jones' conversion rate on 3rd and long, not just ALL 3rd downs.

The fact that you list Jones' performance against Baylor/WVU as examples of games where Landry played well hurts your argument.

Badmouth OU's oline all you want, it was the best in the Big 12.

Again, the clutch argument is born out from the eye test, actually watching how Jones played in difficult circumstances. It's not something you can easily distill from stat crunching.
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If I can step out of my scout shoes for a moment and discuss this as a fan of the draft...

I think Nassib's ranking is interesting. Cosell, Lande, Jaws, etc. - they all seem to have him either 1st or 2nd on their rankings.

He doesn't have a dynamite arm but it's better than Barkley's and the secondroundstats breakdown shows that he's actually pretty accurate with his deep ball.

Of all the QBs, he had the least to work with.

I think he's quietly put himself as the trade target in the late first over Barkley.
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No worries Sorry it had been reposted on SB nation so I didnt know you couldnt repost it..
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Check out Landry Jones' conversion rate on 3rd and long, not just ALL 3rd downs.

The fact that you list Jones' performance against Baylor/WVU as examples of games where Landry played well hurts your argument.

Badmouth OU's oline all you want, it was the best in the Big 12.

Again, the clutch argument is born out from the eye test, actually watching how Jones played in difficult circumstances. It's not something you can easily distill from stat crunching.

No QB is perfect all the time every QB has a certain number of INTs and fumbles and bad plays.. You have to look at the big picture because the Eye test depends on what you focus on and when you are watching. Payton Manning lost in the playoffs because of a bad timed int.. He must not be clutch either.

The third down stat wasn't broken down to third and long, but if landry did so poor at third and long then his over all would not be the highest..

Landry played well in all his bowl games and won 39 games.. in the last three years he lost 8 games and 2 of those he threw over 400 yards each, two over 300 yards, 2 close to 300 yards (290 and 299), two games at 250, 272 Jones per game average in 4 years was 314 ypg

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Check out Landry Jones' conversion rate on 3rd and long, not just ALL 3rd downs.

The fact that you list Jones' performance against Baylor/WVU as examples of games where Landry played well hurts your argument.

Badmouth OU's oline all you want, it was the best in the Big 12.

Again, the clutch argument is born out from the eye test, actually watching how Jones played in difficult circumstances. It's not something you can easily distill from stat crunching.
Landry Jones conversion rate on 3rd down is actually very high, converting 48.9% of 3rd downs into 1st downs. I did some research on converting 3rd downs in the final full season of college and will have an article up on it soon, but to sum it up, all 10 of the playoff quarterbacks last year I had numbers for converted AT LEAST 40% of their 3rd down pass attempts into 1st downs (again, in their final full season of college). Also, every quarterback drafted since 2008 to lead his team to the playoffs also converted at least 40% of their passing 3rd downs in their final season in college.

Jones is one of the very few in this class, specifically the top guys, who hits that mark, along with Nassib, E.J., and Geno.

Also, you tried to question Jones ability to convert 3rd and Long, which is absurd by the numbers. On 3rd and 7+ pass attempts, Oklahoma converted 42.9%. That's not only incredibly high compared to this class, it's an absolutely insane number compared to all of the other quarterbacks I researched.

You should try to actually look at the numbers you attempt to cite before you cite them...
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All of these quarterbacks suck this year. Glennon, Bray, Wilson, Barkley, Smith, Nassib. All of them are the definition of "mediocre" or worse.
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Many of these QBs are very talented physically. But their game-play is incomplete for a top prospect.

Just based on tools and the ability to throw the football, guys like Glennon/Bray/Jones/Manuel/Smith would rank near the top of ANY draft class.
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Matt Barkley just reminds me so much of aj feeley, a good back up who can win some games, but I don't like his lasting appeal
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I have made the Feeley comparison as well. Barkley just isn't good. Wilson has a shot, but I'm not particularly a fan. I'd rather have Nassib,Smith,Jones or Manuel.
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