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Old 04-11-2013, 06:05 PM    (permalink
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He went 4-0 in bowl games, two of which FSU trailed by 14 points.
In 2012 he lead FSU back vs. Clemson and won a game in the last minute at VaTech. He was 6-2 vs. FSU's biggest rivals over his career. In what world is that shrinking in big games?

You cherry pick the NC State game where he had his team up by 16 going into the 4th. Top that off by saying all he does his throw hitches when his big games he made numerous downfield throws with a very high success rate. A lot of the hitch routes were the results of making reads and making the safe throw. But then again you have somehow convinced yourself one of the more complicated pro style offenses that gives its QBs high marks from NFL coaches for their knowledge of the game is simplistic.

As for opening up the offense, it was one of the best offenses in school history. Why mess with what works?
You really think Va Tech and Clemson are quality opponents? Clemson is at least competitive at times, but jesus Va Tech really? Hurray for baseless east coast bias. Live in the now.
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So rivalry games aren't big games and bowl games aren't big games? In other words you are creating an impossible definition of big games to solely serve your uninformed and knowledgeable evaluation of this kid. You'd think he took a preseason #1 team to a 6 loss season or something.
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So rivalry games aren't big games and bowl games aren't big games? In other words you are creating an impossible definition of big games to solely serve your uninformed and knowledgeable evaluation of this kid. You'd think he took a preseason #1 team to a 6 loss season or something.
Bowl Games that are matching you up with .500 teams are not big games, games against 4-5 Miami squads....are not big games. Those are teams that with your guys' talent you should mop the floor with. Rivalry games may be big for the school...but should not be for the team you guys assembled.

But yes, continue to make this an argument about USC. Who I never mentioned one time until you got butt hurt about me critiquing Manuel.
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6-2 against the biggest rivals? Those are not big games! When the **** was the last time that Miami was relevant? Va Tech was garbage this year, Clemson refuses to play defense, and a win in a bowl game against Notre Dame last year is useless. It's like jesus, when the **** were your rivals considered worthy opponents for you guys while Manuel was there...The talent on that team was stupid...and Manuel constantly kept the other team in games.

This **** is comical...
Even though you called Miami irrelevant, and I hate you for it, you kind of have a point here.
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Do not be surprised if he makes a Christian Ponder type of leap. I believe he will make the biggest impact amongst the rookie QBs. If he does not go in the Top 10 range expect Arizona to trade back.
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You really think Va Tech and Clemson are quality opponents? Clemson is at least competitive at times, but jesus Va Tech really? Hurray for baseless east coast bias. Live in the now.
So i take it you and Sickwithit will not be drafting Manuel for the Eagles in the SWDC Mock Draft??

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Bowl Games that are matching you up with .500 teams are not big games, games against 4-5 Miami squads....are not big games. Those are teams that with your guys' talent you should mop the floor with. Rivalry games may be big for the school...but should not be for the team you guys assembled.

But yes, continue to make this an argument about USC. Who I never mentioned one time until you got butt hurt about me critiquing Manuel.
Records of FSU opponents going into the bowl games were:

2009: West Virginia 9-3
2010: South Carolina 9-4 (2 losses to MNC Auburn)
2011: Notre Dame 8-4
2012: Northern Illinois 12-1

Combined 38-12

So basically yeah, no teams that were even close to .500, unless 4 games over .500 is barely .500.

In the 2011 game vs. Notre Dame, he also played behind a starting OL with 4 true freshmen vs. one of the better defenses in the country. Winning that game showed both the mental and physical toughness NFL teams love.

As for FSU playing against weaker talent, in 2012 for the season the average score was 39-15. I mean really what else is the kid supposed to do but win games by large amounts against bad teams? Whereas some classless coaches run up scores, Fisher, to his detriment actually, does not. See the Duke and BC games as great examples of that where he just flipped the off switch.

Like it or not, rivalry games, bowl games, and conference championship games are big games in CFB. In these games he was a combined 11-3, with 2 of the losses coming when he was still the backup to Ponder vs. 2009 Florida and 2010 VaTech.
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You really think Va Tech and Clemson are quality opponents? Clemson is at least competitive at times, but jesus Va Tech really? Hurray for baseless east coast bias. Live in the now.
Is LSU a quality opponent? If yes, then certainly the Clemson team who beat them is as well. There isn't a whole helluva lot of difference between Clemson and Oregon, who we always hear is a quality opponent.

Also you clearly have no knowledge of Lane Stadium on a Thursday night.
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Bowl Games that are matching you up with .500 teams are not big games, games against 4-5 Miami squads....are not big games. Those are teams that with your guys' talent you should mop the floor with. Rivalry games may be big for the school...but should not be for the team you guys assembled.

But yes, continue to make this an argument about USC. Who I never mentioned one time until you got butt hurt about me critiquing Manuel.
Quick, name a .500 team that played against FSU and Manuel. Times up! Just admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about and you hate the fact that Manuel's stock is rising....while others are falling.
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Quick, name a .500 team that played against FSU and Manuel. Times up! Just admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about and you hate the fact that Manuel's stock is rising....while others are falling.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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So i take it you and Sickwithit will not be drafting Manuel for the Eagles in the SWDC Mock Draft??

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Do any of you honestly believe that either one of them will be a star in the NFL?
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Do any of you honestly believe that either one of them will be a star in the NFL?
No, I do think that Barkley will be a starter and can have a solid career.
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No, I do think that Barkley will be a starter and can have a solid career.
Sorta like Matt Leinart, right.
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Is LSU a quality opponent? If yes, then certainly the Clemson team who beat them is as well. There isn't a whole helluva lot of difference between Clemson and Oregon, who we always hear is a quality opponent.

Also you clearly have no knowledge of Lane Stadium on a Thursday night.
And you clearly have no knowledge of what an NFL QB looks like?
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I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
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I don't get it with Manuel, all the love.
I just don't get a lot of stuff with the love/hate with the QB's in the draft this year. Honestly, I'd hate to be in the need of drafting a QB this year. All have serious flaws, and none stand out.
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Sorta like Matt Leinart, right.
Leinart had no work ethic and was put in the best situation possible in college. However, was put in maybe the worst in the NFL. Anyone with a clue could have saw the Leinart bust coming.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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I personally think EJ would up monster numbers in Kelly's system. Think about it....
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I dont think he does a good enough job of putting his receivers in position to get YAC.

Do I feel that Vick or Foles are the guy, no I dont but I don't really like any of the guys in this class at all. If I were to take a project guy (which Manuel is) I'd rather take Matt Scott and hope for one of the studs next year.
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