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Old 04-20-2013, 09:57 AM    (permalink
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Yeah I wish they had the older brother alive so they could pump him for some info. The younger kid was the patsy here, bullied by his big brother.

Speaking of the big brother, not sure if this was already posted somewhere in here as I only read a few pages here, but the older bro was a bully heavyweight Golden Gloves Boxer. Interesting quotes here from former teammates, trainers, etc. > http://www.csnbayarea.com/fight-spor...-he-was-maniac

The FBI was tipped on this guy, and they interviewed, poked around, and let the animal thru the cracks. We're actually lucky only 4 were killed. Could easily have been 400 or 4000.

And to forenci, I never pained one whole religion as bad. It's just, let's not sugarcoat this: it is the reason, the root of where these particular maniacs foundation of hatred is from.

Here's a good read about the Chechnyans. Remember they killed 300 school children back in 2004, and over 100 in a Moscow Theater in 2002.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rld-militants/
Religion in general, or specifically Islam...?
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The difference is, you wouldn't say "that Christian" Timothy McVeigh.
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Exactly, his religion has nothing to do with it, so why bring it up?
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Max V is probably the only other poster here who can appreciate just how funny it is reading americans pretend to know anything about the ongoing Russo-Tchechen conflict.
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I guess criticizing religion is okay as long as that religion isn't Christianity which is responsible for countless more lives ruined than Islam. That is all I will say on the matter though. I just don't think we need to bring religion into this.
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The difference is, you wouldn't say "that Christian" Timothy McVeigh.
Bingo. That is the issue. And it has just as much to do with cultural differences as it does religious. It's veiled racism at it's finest.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:27 AM    (permalink
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Exactly, his religion has nothing to do with it, so why bring it up?
See, this is not true. His religious beliefs absolutely did. But by saying "that Muslim", it drags the entire religion into it which is obviously ridiculous. If he said "radical Muslim", that would be far more accurate.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:38 AM    (permalink
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See, this is not true. His religious beliefs absolutely did. But by saying "that Muslim", it drags the entire religion into it which is obviously ridiculous. If he said "radical Muslim", that would be far more accurate.
It does but there is supposed to be no religion talk on here so nobody gets upset. Maybe that only applies to Christianity though.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:43 AM    (permalink
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Alright, no more religion so njx doesn't get pissed.
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See, this is not true. His religious beliefs absolutely did. But by saying "that Muslim", it drags the entire religion into it which is obviously ridiculous. If he said "radical Muslim", that would be far more accurate.
Yeah, but not enough, imo, to justify bringing the religion up. That's what has created the stereotypes that are here today. Saying "radical muslim" isn't going to change anything. It may be more accurate, but it's still going to effect how Muslims are viewed.

It has more to do with the individual and how messed up they are, than the religion.
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Basically religion has nothing to do with it. The older brother was crazy, just like the guy who shot all those people in a school and the guy who shot at a theatre. Their religion didn't matter, they were tabbed as mentally insane because they weren't Muslim. The description of the older brother as the outcast and quiet matches with the description of the crazy people that have planned and killed numerous peoples in recent events. They were mentally insane and couldn't fit in and adjust to society.

All the crazy Christians that committed horrible crimes and said "God told me to do it" never made the religion look bad, just themselves. Why is it different with Muslims? Thats why I believe religion is not the root, it's a crazy individual. There are over a billion of Muslims that are furious at them right now, they didn't want this.
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Religion is a tool used for many things and oftentimes used to justify actions. You are right Bos, religion is not to blame. It played a part and likely made it easier for a crazy person to justify killing others but it isn't to blame.
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Total costs could be $1B.

Ridiculous that two people could cost a city that much money.
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The proffessor from MIT is now on CNN talking about how Muslims will be more vulnerable, and its not fair. After 9/11 there were thousands of hate crimes on Muslims and immigrants as a result. Now you can expect that to get even worse just because of two idiots. Those people that look apart will not be able to live in peace and that's what kills me about this.
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The proffessor from MIT is now on CNN talking about how Muslims will be more vulnerable, and its not fair. After 9/11 there were thousands of hate crimes on Muslims and immigrants as a result. Now you can expect that to get even worse just because of two idiots. Those people that look apart will not be able to live in peace and that's what kills me about this.
The worst part about this all is shocking events bring us all together in one way or another and we see the best that humanity has to offer. People running into areas recently bombed with no fear for their own life. Others running 26 miles to the finish line and another 2 to give blood. The worst part of all of this is that after people show so much hatred and ignorance. People instantly profile and treat others because of race, religion, sex or really anything at all.

Its really a terrible thing that caps off a pretty terrible act.
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