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Old 04-23-2013, 02:03 AM    (permalink
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Austin to the Eagles makes no sense unless there's a trade brewing with either Jackson or Maclin.
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Austin is a slot WR.

He does not project as a similar player to DJax.

He would play the slot and in the backfield in Kelly's offense. The DAT role. DJax and Maclin would play outside.
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Maclin is so under-appreciated.

He will tear it up next year in that offense.
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less and less true in recent years with Watt,Jones and JPP. Also I notice you changed your stat from 30 to 28.
Watt had a ton of TFL in college. I make an exception for players with less than 17 sacks only if: they had a ton of TFL and played in a run-heavy conference. i.e. the Big10.

Jason Pierre Paul hasn't proven to be an elite player yet. Yes, three years is too few still. He's had literally ONE GOOD YEAR. You are blinded by one good year and don't see that he could still be a one-year-wonder. Before we champion Pierre Paul as the great "athletic freak that turned into an NFL stud with no college production", let's see what happens in the next three years.
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So seeing what kind of impact Sproles has on every offense he has been on in his career (Rivers saying he was distraught when he left for NO). You wouldn't take Sproles in the top 10 if he was coming out this year knowing what you know now?
No, I wouldn't. I mean he's a top notch third down back and return man. He can get you 500 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving in a season and some great returns, but when I take a WR at #4 overall in any draft, I want him to be Julio Jones, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, or even what Desean Jackson was for that one great year he had. A legit #1 playmaker. I dont' think he has a ceiling like that.

It would be quite a stat though if the first WR taken in the top five since forever that was under 6'2" or (whatever that stat is) ends up being a guy who is 5'8"
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For the record, if any of these latest draft rumblings that are becoming thicker and thicker smoke are true then the top 5 disappointingly will end up being:

1-KC-Luke Joeckel-LT
(good solid pick)

2-JAC-Eric Fisher-LT
(don't like this pick, they have Monroe - and if they let Monroe walk next offseason then they'll be making a lateral move, not improving the team...if they keep Monroe then they'll have drafted a right tackle at #2 overall which is dumb, especially when you look at all the quality right tackles who are still free agents today)

3-OAK-Sharrif Floyd-DT
(would be that rare good pick by the Raiders. Don't let the sack numbers in college fool you, this guy can pressure QBs)

4-PHI-Dion Jordan-OLB
(He should go #2 if the Jags know what's good for them, but in Philly he'd join a crowded group of pass rushers as the BPA)

5-DET-Ziggy Ansah-DE
(Ansah and Suh and Fairley on the same line in that wide 9 alignment in a couple years would be a great foundation to their defense)

I think in that scenario Miami or San Diego would trade up to 6 and take Lane Johnson...though I wonder if Philly or Detroit wouldn't take him, at least Detroit anyway. Browns would take Milliner at 11/12 or possibly Eifert. This whole "Eifert going 6th overall" BS is so silly. Not gonna happen. Not with Mingo and Lotuleilei on the board and a top CB they like.
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Watt had a ton of TFL in college. I make an exception for players with less than 17 sacks only if: they had a ton of TFL and played in a run-heavy conference. i.e. the Big10.Jason Pierre Paul hasn't proven to be an elite player yet. Yes, three years is too few still. He's had literally ONE GOOD YEAR. You are blinded by one good year and don't see that he could still be a one-year-wonder. Before we champion Pierre Paul as the great "athletic freak that turned into an NFL stud with no college production", let's see what happens in the next three years.
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For the record, if any of these latest draft rumblings that are becoming thicker and thicker smoke are true then the top 5 disappointingly will end up being:

1-KC-Luke Joeckel-LT
(good solid pick)

2-JAC-Eric Fisher-LT
(don't like this pick, they have Monroe - and if they let Monroe walk next offseason then they'll be making a lateral move, not improving the team...if they keep Monroe then they'll have drafted a right tackle at #2 overall which is dumb, especially when you look at all the quality right tackles who are still free agents today)

3-OAK-Sharrif Floyd-DT
(would be that rare good pick by the Raiders. Don't let the sack numbers in college fool you, this guy can pressure QBs)

4-PHI-Dion Jordan-OLB
(He should go #2 if the Jags know what's good for them, but in Philly he'd join a crowded group of pass rushers as the BPA)

5-DET-Ziggy Ansah-DE
(Ansah and Suh and Fairley on the same line in that wide 9 alignment in a couple years would be a great foundation to their defense)

I think in that scenario Miami or San Diego would trade up to 6 and take Lane Johnson...though I wonder if Philly or Detroit wouldn't take him, at least Detroit anyway. Browns would take Milliner at 11/12 or possibly Eifert. This whole "Eifert going 6th overall" BS is so silly. Not gonna happen. Not with Mingo and Lotuleilei on the board and a top CB they like.
Why would Ansah not be a far better pick than the overrated Floyd? I'd take Ansah, Star or Milliner over Floyd in a heart beat.
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So seeing what kind of impact Sproles has on every offense he has been on in his career (Rivers saying he was distraught when he left for NO). You wouldn't take Sproles in the top 10 if he was coming out this year knowing what you know now?
No, I definitely would not.

The amount of impact Sproles can have on a game is limited. It's not like you're drafting an every down pass rusher, or even an every down running back. And what he does can be found easier than other positions. He's just a guy that catches out of the backfield. He's great at what he does, but what he does is nothing special. No way would you draft that kind of player in the top 10. In the top 10 you want a player that can make a massive difference.

There is a reason Darren Sproles (one of the best in the league at what he does) only gets a 4 year $14M contract. He will never have the same impact as players in the more premium positions. And by 'more premium positions' that's probably every starting position on the field.
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Here's the source for Ansah-to-Jags

https://twitter.com/Bischoff_Scott/s...85199778758656
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https://twitter.com/Bischoff_Scott/s...85199778758656
We've heard 3 reports regarding a guy locked in at #2

Ansah, Jordan and Fisher. It's time of smokescreens
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I just tweeted before that the Jags seem like their trolling the league at this point with all these reports to #2. It's great.
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For the record, if any of these latest draft rumblings that are becoming thicker and thicker smoke are true then the top 5 disappointingly will end up being:

1-KC-Luke Joeckel-LT
(good solid pick)

2-JAC-Eric Fisher-LT
(don't like this pick, they have Monroe - and if they let Monroe walk next offseason then they'll be making a lateral move, not improving the team...if they keep Monroe then they'll have drafted a right tackle at #2 overall which is dumb, especially when you look at all the quality right tackles who are still free agents today)

3-OAK-Sharrif Floyd-DT
(would be that rare good pick by the Raiders. Don't let the sack numbers in college fool you, this guy can pressure QBs)

4-PHI-Dion Jordan-OLB
(He should go #2 if the Jags know what's good for them, but in Philly he'd join a crowded group of pass rushers as the BPA)

5-DET-Ziggy Ansah-DE
(Ansah and Suh and Fairley on the same line in that wide 9 alignment in a couple years would be a great foundation to their defense)

I think in that scenario Miami or San Diego would trade up to 6 and take Lane Johnson...though I wonder if Philly or Detroit wouldn't take him, at least Detroit anyway. Browns would take Milliner at 11/12 or possibly Eifert. This whole "Eifert going 6th overall" BS is so silly. Not gonna happen. Not with Mingo and Lotuleilei on the board and a top CB they like.
I'm not sure if the guys in Detroit would feel like they have enough job security to take on a project like Ansah.
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Beat writer Manish Mehta tweeted that Jets fans should familiarize themselves with Jarvis Jones.
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I'm not sure if the guys in Detroit would feel like they have enough job security to take on a project like Ansah.
Schwartz coached Ansah during the Senior Bowl and has said a few times he doesn't view Ansah as a project at all. He was dominant in that game and Schwartz thinks that's the type of impact he'll have when playing a full-time 4-3 DE as opposed to moving him all over in a primarily 3-down linemen set.
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Watt had a ton of TFL in college. I make an exception for players with less than 17 sacks only if: they had a ton of TFL and played in a run-heavy conference. i.e. the Big10.

Jason Pierre Paul hasn't proven to be an elite player yet. Yes, three years is too few still. He's had literally ONE GOOD YEAR. You are blinded by one good year and don't see that he could still be a one-year-wonder. Before we champion Pierre Paul as the great "athletic freak that turned into an NFL stud with no college production", let's see what happens in the next three years.
JPP was 21st in pass rush score(6.5 sacks) among 4-3 DEs and 1st against the run.

I'm not going to sit here and say that's an elite player, but its not one you regretted taking in the 1st round by any means and it is one you regret not having on your board in the top 20 or so at the least.

Neither Chandler Jones or Aldon Smith matches your criteria either. EDIT - forgot Clay Matthews.

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I could see it. They're used to slow OLBs.

I'm not even trying to make a joke. The team that drafts him is not going to have a strict H/W/S prototype for that position. I don't the Jets do.

I think if Mingo is off the board at No. 9, they'll take Jones at No. 13.
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How about people throw out stats and watch the film?

I watched every snap JPP took @ South Florida, I also attended the same JC as him and watched him first hand. Sure he didn't have much production in college, but with the event of running QBs an mobile college QBs you aren't getting sacks as much. I watched JPP round the corner, use his hands, everything that translated well to the NFL. He put constant pressure on QBs in college.

There's no rule on what makes a great pass rusher in the NFL and what doesn't.

There's always going to be the "Didn't play against elite competition", "Didn't have sacks in college", "lacks athleticism", "lacks strenght" blah blah blah. Film is the greatest indicator, workouts are also important as it can show things we didn't get the chance to see on film.
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I could see it. They're used to slow OLBs.

I'm not even trying to make a joke. The team that drafts him is not going to have a strict H/W/S prototype for that position. I don't the Jets do.

I think if Mingo is off the board at No. 9, they'll take Jones at No. 13.
That's an interesting point. On the other hand (and this goes for Mingo too, but moreso for Jones because I think he's got less length and less of a frame to fill out) is that they're also used to bigger OLB's. Edge setting is a priority for OLB's in Ryan's scheme, and I could see Jones struggling there. Mingo too.

Wouldn't be shocked if they take a sleeper late/ignore the position entirely. They've got two starter-ish guys for this season and tend not to draft for need. If they don't think either is a good fit it wouldn't be surprising to see them pass.
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I have seen both Oakland and Detroit tied to one of the top OTs in the draft. Oakland has Veldheer who is quietly becoming a top tackle in the league and Detroit used a first rounder on Riley Reiff last year. I could understand the argument that Detroit would want to move Reiff to the right side and get Fischer to man the left side but still don't think Detroit goes Tackle two years in a row. As for Oakland I don't think spending a top 3 pick on a player that will line up at RT makes zero sense.
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I have seen both Oakland and Detroit tied to one of the top OTs in the draft. Oakland has Veldheer who is quietly becoming a top tackle in the league and Detroit used a first rounder on Riley Reiff last year. I could understand the argument that Detroit would want to move Reiff to the right side and get Fischer to man the left side but still don't think Detroit goes Tackle two years in a row. As for Oakland I don't think spending a top 3 pick on a player that will line up at RT makes zero sense.
Unless they are trying to generate enough buzz to get someone to trade up because they don't love anyone that high. It all screams we want to move the pick but want to get good value to move down.
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Detroit wants that tackle. We want Fisher.
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Detroit wants that tackle. We want Fisher.
Yea makes more sense then Oakland. Fisher and Reiff would be a nice set of bookends.
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Might have to trade up to get that done, my guess is Fisher/Joeckel or Milliner. If those 3 are gone either gamble on Lane Johnson or punt.
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I know the LT position is so important, but they just took Reiff and their secondary was so damn bad last year. They really need that #1 CB and I just think they should nab Milliner at 5, and address OT/OG in 2nd rnd.
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