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I do like the Matt Ryan comparison for Teddy. Although, I think any team drafting him has to hope they get more than that.

Because Matt Ryan sucks.
1. Matt Ryan had one down year, he doesn't "suck"

2. Bridgewater is a weaker armed Russell Wilson with better pocket presence
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1. Matt Ryan had one down year, he doesn't "suck"

2. Bridgewater is a weaker armed Russell Wilson with better pocket presence
1. I have watched much more Matt Ryan than you. And if you want to go statistically, he has had two down years, his second year and last year. If you want to go by reality, he has never been very good.

2. You are an idiot.
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1. I have watched much more Matt Ryan than you. And if you want to go statistically, he has had two down years, his second year and last year. If you want to go by reality, he has never been very good.

2. You are an idiot.
1. You have no clue what you are talking about

He threw for 4,515 yards 26 Tds and 17 ints this last year, 89.6 rating

Real down year right?



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ESPN analyst Bill Polian, who served as president and general manager of the Indianapolis Colts during the Manning years, knows all about being around an elite quarterback. And Polian believes firmly believes Ryan is right there.

``I think he’s a Super Bowl (win) away from being elite,’’ Polian said recently. ``He’s very close.’’
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And I don't compare Bridgewater to Ryan on top of that
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I have to agree with worldtheofend that you're kind of crazy to say that Matt Ryan sucks. He's not a top 5 QB but I think it's hard to say he's not in the top 10. His struggles last year mostly stemmed from his entire offense being hurt besides Gonzalez. He had a bad offensive line, limited receiving threats, and the least amount of run support in the league. People praised Brady for getting by with limited weapons but at least he had a good O-line, a great run game, and a good defense.

The comparison between Bridgewater and Wilson is a strange one though. I don't see any similarities in their game. In fact Wilson's greatest strength(making plays down the field) is Bridgewater's biggest weakness.
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I have to agree with worldtheofend that you're kind of crazy to say that Matt Ryan sucks. He's not a top 5 QB but I think it's hard to say he's not in the top 10. His struggles last year mostly stemmed from his entire offense being hurt besides Gonzalez. He had a bad offensive line, limited receiving threats, and the least amount of run support in the league. People praised Brady for getting by with limited weapons but at least he had a good O-line, a great run game, and a good defense.

The comparison between Bridgewater and Wilson is a strange one though. I don't see any similarities in their game. In fact Wilson's greatest strength(making plays down the field) is Bridgewater's biggest weakness.
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1. You have no clue what you are talking about

He threw for 4,515 yards 26 Tds and 17 ints this last year, 89.6 rating

Real down year right?



You have no clue on gods green earth of what you are saying

2. See above,
and that was with Julio and Roddy hurt for most of the year. Douglas is underrated, but still. They also had no run game or defense.
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and that was with Julio and Roddy hurt for most of the year. Douglas is underrated, but still. They also had no run game or defense.
On top of the o-line being the worst in all of football
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1. You have no clue what you are talking about

He threw for 4,515 yards 26 Tds and 17 ints this last year, 89.6 rating

Real down year right?



You have no clue on gods green earth of what you are saying

2. See above,
In today's NFL, those are not good numbers. More importantly:

4-12
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Ryan hasn't found his footing in the playoffs yet, but he is clearly a really good QB. The Falcons as a team earned that 4-12 record. I'll trade you for Matt Ryan right now if you don't want him.
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In today's NFL, those are not good numbers. More importantly:

4-12
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Clearly ignoring the fact that football is the ultimate team sport



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4-12
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Those are pretty good numbers. A lot of teams would kill for that kind of production from their quarterback. Matt Ryan is a very good starter. He wasn't the problem for the Falcons last year. Sure his record in the playoffs isn't very good, but that doesn't mean he sucks. That's like saying Warren Moon sucked because of his playoff failures. It's a team sport. QB is the most important piece, but he can't do it all. Do you really want to go back to the Joey Harrington or Byron Leftwich days for your franchise?
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Those are pretty good numbers. A lot of teams would kill for that kind of production from their quarterback. Matt Ryan is a very good starter. He wasn't the problem for the Falcons last year. Sure his record in the playoffs isn't very good, but that doesn't mean he sucks. That's like saying Warren Moon sucked because of his playoff failures. It's a team sport. QB is the most important piece, but he can't do it all. Do you really want to go back to the Joey Harrington or Byron Leftwich days for your franchise?
The problem is that he is a top 15 QB who has a 100 million dollar contract. I wouldn't want to pay Joe Flacco that money either. Due to this, I think he will handicap the team for the next decade, from the ultimate goal that is.

Obviously he doesnt suck as in being less than average. But I don't want him as my QB, just like I wouldn't want Carmelo Anthony as my superstar. Different sports, same principle. You get handicapped.
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The problem is that he is a top 15 QB who has a 100 million dollar contract. I wouldn't want to pay Joe Flacco that money either. Due to this, I think he will handicap the team for the next decade, from the ultimate goal that is.

Obviously he doesnt suck as in being less than average. But I don't want him as my QB, just like I wouldn't want Carmelo Anthony as my superstar. Different sports, same principle. You get handicapped.
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He said he is a superbowl win away from being elite. He won't be winning a superbowl.
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The problem is that he is a top 15 QB who has a 100 million dollar contract. I wouldn't want to pay Joe Flacco that money either. Due to this, I think he will handicap the team for the next decade, from the ultimate goal that is.

Obviously he doesnt suck as in being less than average. But I don't want him as my QB, just like I wouldn't want Carmelo Anthony as my superstar. Different sports, same principle. You get handicapped.
Unfortunately, that is the going rate for a less than perfect QB who can still get your team to the playoffs and maybe beyond. Teams just have to live with it.

Ryan certainly has his problem areas, his arm strength is just average and that definitely seems to limits his playoff success, at least so far.

I don't think you can use last season against him, everybody but his mother's uncle got hurt and that would limit almost every QB.

You know, everybody always blames the QB, but sometimes it is the HC who limits a team's success. Schotty and Reid are 2 examples of HC's who almost always got their teams to the playoffs but not beyond. Perhaps it is Smith who is one of those types. I guess you'll find out soon enough.
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He said he is a superbowl win away from being elite. He won't be winning a superbowl.
I don't know how you can say that with any certainty. If Eli can win a superbowl I find it hard to believe that Ryan is incapable of winning one with adequate talent around him.

The problem right now is that the Falcons depth got exposed last season. After their top tier talent went down with injury they became one of the least talented teams in the NFL IMO.

Again, he had no run game to work with, limited receiving talent, a terrible O-line, and an awful defense. If you give him the pieces to work with I truly believe he can win his team a superbowl. The Falcons have struggled to provide him with those necessary pieces though.
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The problem is that he is a top 15 QB who has a 100 million dollar contract. I wouldn't want to pay Joe Flacco that money either. Due to this, I think he will handicap the team for the next decade, from the ultimate goal that is.

Obviously he doesnt suck as in being less than average. But I don't want him as my QB, just like I wouldn't want Carmelo Anthony as my superstar. Different sports, same principle. You get handicapped.
That is how it works. Because you'd rather be floating around 8-8 every year with a QB that has a stranglehold on the cap situation than be 4-12 every single season while looking for that QB. You have to ask yourself what you would rather have. A quarterback that puts up quality production while the rest of the team needs fixing up by the organization, or be an NFL doormat franchise looking for the next quarterback to lead your team which could take years. Look at the Browns and Bills. They haven't had a legitimate starter in about 20 years plus. Perhaps the blame should go on the organization to find impact players at a young age. Blame the market and how it's constructed, not the quarterback.

As for Joe Flacco, sure that's a lot of money for him. At the same time do they get to 8-8 if Tyrod Taylor or some other journeyman is starting? Especially with all the other problems the Ravens had this past season like their offensive line and receiver problems?
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That is how it works. Because you'd rather be floating around 8-8 every year with a QB that has a stranglehold on the cap situation than be 4-12 every single season while looking for that QB. You have to ask yourself what you would rather have. A quarterback that puts up quality production while the rest of the team needs fixing up by the organization, or be an NFL doormat franchise looking for the next quarterback to lead your team which could take years. Look at the Browns and Bills. They haven't had a legitimate starter in about 20 years plus. Perhaps the blame should go on the organization to find impact players at a young age. Blame the market and how it's constructed, not the quarterback.

As for Joe Flacco, sure that's a lot of money for him. At the same time do they get to 8-8 if Tyrod Taylor or some other journeyman is starting? Especially with all the other problems the Ravens had this past season like their offensive line and receiver problems?
I understand how the market works and I understand why the Falcons paid him. I just don't think that he is the route to the superbowl. Which is why I am not a supporter.
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Even after struggling at his Pro Day, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's private workouts with NFL clubs "have also gone very shakily."
Mort believes Bridgewater's forthcoming draft-day slide won't occur solely because of his Pro Day. He says Bridgewater's private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming, too. Mortensen added that teams remain concerned with Bridgewater's smallish hands. Once considered the likely No. 1 overall pick, Bridgewater's fall could ultimately mimic Geno Smith's from last year.
I didn't love his tape, was willing to give him a mulligan on the pro day due to the gloves issue, but this bit of news is damning.
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I'm going down with the ship on this one.

This was my first season of serious scouting and Bridgewater has been my guy the whole way. I still believe he's the best QB prospect in this draft. If he busts I'll just have to learn from it in the future but I'm not going to abandon ship just because of a shaky offseason.
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Just remember there was a room full of scouts that got out of their seats clapping at Alex Smiths' pro day.
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