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Old 04-13-2014, 10:14 PM    (permalink
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Default LB Prospects who drop back into the Secondary

We all hear about Safeties being converted over to Linebackers(Thomas Davis, Taylor Mays etc.) but are there any Linebacker prospects in this class that could potentially slide back into coverage as a Safety?
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Telvin Smith.
Kevin Pierre-Louis.
Only two off the top of my head
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Telvin Smith is a guy you could turn into a Kam Chancellor type in my opinion, but realistically the lines between coverage LB and big safety are becoming blurred.

They aren't your typical LBs who you want taking on interior linemen in the run game, but in the same way you wouldn't be comfortable having them take the deep middle.

Playing that rover/robber role is becoming a lot more prominent for teams with a rangy FS and to be honest you can get a guy who is either a LB or a safety as long as they have enough of a physical presence with enough athleticism
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Mo Alexander from Utah State used to be a LB. If you want a Kam Chancellor, and you're willing to gamble on his character, I think he's your best bet.

In the 6th or 7th RD because of his character issues.
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Mo Alexander from Utah State used to be a LB. If you want a Kam Chancellor, and you're willing to gamble on his character, I think he's your best bet.

In the 6th or 7th RD because of his character issues.
He was the name I was going to bring up as well. His teammates thought enough of him for him to have been a team captain the year after being away from the team; for what that's worth.
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He was the name I was going to bring up as well. His teammates thought enough of him for him to have been a team captain the year after being away from the team; for what that's worth.
I actually did a write up on a 7th, a 6th, and a 5th RD prospect last night (very brief, and I'll probably post it later), but Alexander was my 7th. Here's a bit from it:

Mo Alexander is a natural athlete and an explosive player around the line of scrimmage (3 ½ sacks and 9 TFL ). He’s a big safety (6’1, 220 with 32 5/8” arms). He can and did play deep—both in 2-deep and single-high, and he possesses the necessary speed (4.54) to do it in the pros. But he’s best in the box. You might attribute his low INT total (1) to his small hands (8 7/8”). His 6 PBU’s indicate that he is active in the passing game.
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I like Alexander. I could see him going in the 3rd or 4th round.
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I don't think Telvin Smith can play safety. He's almost athletic enough to do so, but doesn't have a good feel in coverage from what I've seen, especially zone. His movement skills are attractive, but worthless unless he knows where he should be going. I guess hes one of the better options for that in this class, but that's mostly because there aren't many convincing ones.
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The last guy I can remember successfully doing it is Adam Archuleta but none of the LBers in this class are close to freak athlete he was
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I don't think Telvin Smith can play safety. He's almost athletic enough to do so, but doesn't have a good feel in coverage from what I've seen, especially zone. His movement skills are attractive, but worthless unless he knows where he should be going. I guess hes one of the better options for that in this class, but that's mostly because there aren't many convincing ones.
I fundamentally could not disagree with you more. You're the first person I've seen who has questioned his instincts in pass coverage. He's extremely fast to close on the football, and looks equally comfortable in a deep drop or covering the flat. I watched every one of his scouting videos, and id be hard pressed to remember a single situation where he made a bad read or was slow to react.
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I fundamentally could not disagree with you more. You're the first person I've seen who has questioned his instincts in pass coverage. He's extremely fast to close on the football, and looks equally comfortable in a deep drop or covering the flat. I watched every one of his scouting videos, and id be hard pressed to remember a single situation where he made a bad read or was slow to react.
Check out the game against Boston College on Youtube. At 2:40, Smith gets caught peeking into the backfield, catches up to his man, then overpursues and gives up the touchdown. Also overruns in pursuit on the screen at 4:15. Mistake at 7:00, commits to outside break even after WR breaks inside, tries to recover, ball's already out. Another mistake on the touchdown at 9:50. Playing in the middle, outside linebacker on the weak side takes man coverage on the receiver lined up to the left of the formation, Smith flows down the line to the strong side and completely misses TE block and release, crosses the field to Smith's side and creates a ton of separation for the touchdown; you can see Smith try to recover, but it's way too late. At 11:05, poor read by Rettig, but Smith is the only man on the right side playing zone, running back releases to the right, Smith goes left based on QB's eyes, leaving a big gain if Rettig had noticed it.
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Check out the game against Boston College on Youtube. At 2:40, Smith gets caught peeking into the backfield, catches up to his man, then overpursues and gives up the touchdown.
Extraordinarily nitpicky. Telvin Smith caught up to his man and forced him back inside where he had significant help. Everyone else overran him as well. I would not view that as a negative in pass coverage, moreso a negative in tackling. That exact play happens about a dozen other times in other film, almost always resulting in no gain or a negative gain.

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Also overruns in pursuit on the screen at 4:15
He beat out all of the pulling blockers, and forced his man to stop and cut inside which he was almost immediately tackled for a 2 yard gain. \That was actually a fantastic play.

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Mistake at 7:00, commits to outside break even after WR breaks inside, tries to recover, ball's already out.
That wasn't his man, Ramsey had man coverage on that guy the whole way. Telvin Smith made his designated drop, read the QB's eyes and broke back to the football when it was thrown. If we're going to call that a negative, then most players make that "mistake" on almost every play.

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Another mistake on the touchdown at 9:50. Playing in the middle, outside linebacker on the weak side takes man coverage on the receiver lined up to the left of the formation, Smith flows down the line to the strong side and completely misses TE block and release, crosses the field to Smith's side and creates a ton of separation for the touchdown; you can see Smith try to recover, but it's way too late.
Fair enough on this one. That was an extremely good play-call, and Telvin Smith may have lost track of that guy in the shuffle.

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At 11:05, poor read by Rettig, but Smith is the only man on the right side playing zone, running back releases to the right, Smith goes left based on QB's eyes, leaving a big gain if Rettig had noticed it.
But he didn't, Rettig stared down his receiver the entire time. He had a propensity of doing that his entire career at BC. NFL linebackers, and good ones at that make the same kind of plays all the time. We call that "veteran instinct" and call it a positive in those cases. The fact of the matter is that Smith followed his instincts and his scouting and found himself closer to the play as a result of his decision.

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Moreover, saying calling plays "overruns" and "blown assignments" show that you don't really appreciate the difficulty of playing the nickel and dime assignments that Telvin Smith played. Those are 65%+ success type plays in the NFL. Screens, Drags, flare routes, ect. They're the plays the Pats and other teams run to death. Against Smith in his tape those plays are 35% plays. He's lightning quick to his man, and plays tight coverage oftentimes eliminating the easiest timing throws that a QB uses to get into a rhythm. He's far and away the best coverage LB in the draft, a few slip ups are going to happen with that much time and open field, but the play by in-large incredibly impressive.

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