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Old 08-04-2013, 06:55 PM    (permalink
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The way the NCAA levies punishment, I fully expect them to suspend Manziel for one snap of the opening game of the season. Manziel can't cover the opening kickoff as well. They'll consider that dropping the hammer on him.
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Can't wait till he's done with this season and becomes nothing in the NFL...so tired of him and the negative attention he attracts upon himself
100% agree. If I'm an NFL executive, I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. There would be no chance I'd ever draft him.
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I'm gonna predict that he ends up getting suspended for the season for something and declares for the draft.
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If anything, the NCAA doesn't make a decision until after the season when he's already out the door to the NFL anyway.
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The way the NCAA levies punishment, I fully expect them to suspend Manziel for one snap of the opening game of the season. Manziel can't cover the opening kickoff as well. They'll consider that dropping the hammer on him.
Honestly, when they suspended those Ohio st. kids for 5 games but not the lucrative sugar bowl game, I completely lost what respect I had left for the NCAA discipline. How can players be guilty enough to suspend but wait until after the next game? Money > rules. The incentive to cheat and win is much greater than the punishment if caught.
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it is kinda funny how all of this all leads to all that really matters is how he plays next year.
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It's gonna be sad if he's declared ineligible. I really think the guy has the potential to be somewhat similar to Drew Brees, if he worked really hard at his craft. It's getting harder to believe he's got the intangibles to do that, however.
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If anything, the NCAA doesn't make a decision until after the season when he's already out the door to the NFL anyway.
Yup. This, guys.
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I'm gonna predict that he ends up getting suspended for the season for something and declares for the draft.
Interesting possibility...so if that were the case, and he never played another game in college, where does he get drafted?
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If anything, the NCAA doesn't make a decision until after the season when he's already out the door to the NFL anyway.
Not when it comes to eligibility issues, they move quick on this stuff.
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But Manziel makes money for a major program.
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That's why unless they have concrete evidence he accepted money for the autographs, he'll likely be cleared within the next few weeks.
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The scouting reports about him are gonna be fuuunnnnnn...
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Interesting possibility...so if that were the case, and he never played another game in college, where does he get drafted?
I could see some team taking him round 3 (kind of like Mathieu). I wouldn't but some team would.
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And some team should be traded for the Gray Cup Champion and demoted to the CFL for their sheer stupidity.
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While I think everything that has happened to him this offseason has been a bit overblown, a much smarter guy would've been able to downplay some of this drama. At least Cam Newton was able to keep a lot of the drama that happened to him at Florida and Auburn to a much smaller scale, on much more serious things. I don't know how the incoming Aggie players can say that they want Manziel leading this team for the foreseeable future.
On top of having marginal physical tools (for an NFL quarterback), this will do quite a bit of damage for his draft stock.
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I don't think Manziel has marginal tools. At worst I think his arm strength is average, and that he's short, but his mobility and decision making are A+.
He simply did things in the SEC a quarterback should not be able to do.

I do get why some have compared his college game to Colt McCoy, however Manziel is way more mobile.

When you watch Russell Wilson with the Seahawks scrambling around looking to make plays, I don't see why Manziel can't do the same thing at the next level too.
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He simply did things in the SEC a quarterback should not be able to do.
His arm strength at best is average and his ability to throw a consistent spiral is really not that great. He put up monster numbers for an offensive genius of a coach, much more of the credit for the numbers goes to Sumlin than Manziel.
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I don't think Manziel has marginal tools. At worst I think his arm strength is average, and that he's short, but his mobility and decision making are A+.
He simply did things in the SEC a quarterback should not be able to do.
He has below average and an average arm. That is marginal. Yes he has good mobility, but his arm talent is not great and that is what is important. And doing things an SEC quarterback shouldn't be able to do? Tim Tebow's sophomore year was just a dominate. So was Cam Newton's Heisman season. Let's not act like last year was a once-in-a-generation performance. It wasn't even a once-in-a-decade season.
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His friend halted free signings. Manziel has some good people around him, and Manziel seems like a real humble kid.

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Come on. Seriously. How do we not see the Ryan Leaf in him?
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Come on. Seriously. How do we not see the Ryan Leaf in him?
Ryan Leaf had an NFL level arm, at this point the comparison is actually fairly insulting to Ryan Leaf.
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The ability of posters here to make QB comparisons and judge arm strength is on par with Ryan Leaf's judgment.
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The ability of posters here to make QB comparisons and judge arm strength is on par with Ryan Leaf's judgment.


Honestly how many of these throws show arm strength that is average by NFL standards?

Just as an example, Christian Ponder has one of the weaker arms for an NFL starting QB and check out the throws he can make in the NFL....



The difference in velocity is night and day.
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