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Old 01-08-2014, 05:02 PM    (permalink
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@MoveTheSticks: Manziel has the most upside of any QB in this draft. Plenty of arm strength, accurate & special playmaker..Size/durability is a concern
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Is the incessant media coverage not a concern as well? It got annoying with Tebow for Denver. I'm sure it would with Manziel, too.
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Our dumbass owner supposedly loves him. I'm learning to accept him now.
It's a foregone conclusion he's ending up in Cleveland. Even McDaniels wants nothing to do with this organization.

Ugh.. this isn't going to end well at all...
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Is the incessant media coverage not a concern as well? It got annoying with Tebow for Denver. I'm sure it would with Manziel, too.
Assuming the coaching staff wants him/he is the QB of the future I don't think it's a problem. With Tebow it really only became a negative once teams only wanted him in a backup role that his fanatics couldn't accept.
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Is the incessant media coverage not a concern as well? It got annoying with Tebow for Denver. I'm sure it would with Manziel, too.
It was over the top at A&M because they were winning. Would you trade a little media circus for winning?

Or you could be ignored by the media and go 4-12 again.
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It was over the top at A&M because they were winning. Would you trade a little media circus for winning?

Or you could be ignored by the media and go 4-12 again.
Or the media could follow your next 4-12 season. Let's not act like Manziel is a sure thing. Especially if/when Cleveland takes him.
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Or the media could follow your next 4-12 season. Let's not act like Manziel is a sure thing. Especially if/when Cleveland takes him.
No one is a sure thing but I think Cleveland would be crazy for not taking that chance. I can't think of another franchise, outside of Jacksonville, that could use more of a shot in the arm.

Who is your QB?
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Manziel doesn't have the maniacal traveling faith-based fanbase that Tebow did.

Too bad McDaniels apparently doesn't want the Cleveland job. I think Manziel needs a really creative offensive mind like McDaniels to maximize his talents.
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No one is a sure thing but I think Cleveland would be crazy for not taking that chance. I can't think of another franchise, outside of Jacksonville, that could use more of a shot in the arm.

Who is your QB?
I hate the, "No one's talking about us!" approach. That involves simply taking the biggest name, regardless of fit.

As of now, I believe Cleveland goes one of two ways: either the front office sticks with Hoyer, or they draft Manziel and force him on whatever HC gets desperate enough to accept this job.

Remember, this isn't about the coaches when it comes to the draft. Hell, the FO might as well not allow the coaches in the war room. It's about what the FO wants. So pretty much any pick is going to be a rough one.
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Or the media could follow your next 4-12 season. Let's not act like Manziel is a sure thing. Especially if/when Cleveland takes him.
And also don't forget that with the rookie pay structure as it is now, even if he's a bust, you don't set your franchise back like you used to.

I just don't see another guy out there that is such a slam dunk that it negates the potential upside of manziel.

Does he have a bust potential? Sure. But he also could be electric and automatically make your franchise a contender.

You think bridgewater is better?
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Lol. Hoyer or manziel? Let me see....

Wow
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Lol. Hoyer or manziel? Let me see....

Wow
Well I see this is getting nowhere.

If I have to lay out the thought process behind sticking with Hoyer then this is rather pointless.
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Manziel doesn't have the maniacal traveling faith-based fanbase that Tebow .
Manziel just doesn't have Tebow following in anything. Tebow was a heisman winner as well but also had 4 years in college with 2 national championships. Tebow also is a large beautiful hunk of man who has a huge fan base of women around the country. Tebow is a good person and a winner so it was easy for people to really love him.

Manziel is an interesting story but no way will he get near the frenzy that Tebow brought. The media coverage will only be slightly above any other high profile rookie QB, unless he starts ******* up off the field.
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Well I see this is getting nowhere.

If I have to lay out the thought process behind sticking with Hoyer then this is rather pointless.
Actually, would like to understand the thought process of sticking with hoyer. Seriously.
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You think bridgewater is better?
1000x YES! He's less flashy but he's a much better pro prospect and at least 90% of draft followers feel that way.
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Actually, would like to understand the thought process of sticking with hoyer. Seriously.
Ugh. Fine. I'll bite, just so you can try and point out why drafting Manziel is better.

1. Every single player in this draft is nothing more than a prospect. You have no guarantee of their success. From Bridgewater to Manziel and everyone in between, there's no sure fire prospect.

2. This front office brought in Brian Hoyer themselves, so he's a player they clearly like.

3. It's been made painfully obvious that the FO will make all decisions regarding personnel, limiting the coach to strictly practice and game decisions. So if they really like Hoyer that much, then he's the QB. Period.

4. Hoyer did show a lot of promise in his 2+ games before his injury, including a game against Cincinnati. Yeah, it's a small sample size, but at least that sample is an NFL one. Plus he did so with just Gordon and Cameron as weapons.

5. Your team has quite a few other needs as well. RB, WR, OG, ILB, CB, and it's likely you'll need a new SS and C as well. Plus, other spots could be upgraded. It's not like this team is just one player away, though a franchise QB could at least make this team playoff caliber. But again, you're drafting a prospect versus a player you have a couple games of NFL experience with.

So to summarize: the front office likes him, he played well prior to his injury, and you have several needs elsewhere. That's enough to draft someone else.

And this is what I feel like trying to explain this:
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Why not keep Hoyer and also draft a talented QB early? Cleveland would be better off having a 'QB controversy' than putting all their eggs in having only one potential long term starter on the roster.
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1000x YES! He's less flashy but he's a much better pro prospect and at least 90% of draft followers feel that way.
Dont believe this for one minute. Prove it.

First, define MUCH better. What does that mean? I do not believe that most talent evaluators believe he is a MUCH better prospect than manziel. I can accept that some think he's a better prospect. But MUCH better? Not buying it.

Daniel Jeremiah as stated in the tweet I posted, manziel clearly has the most upside.
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Why not keep Hoyer and also draft a talented QB early? Cleveland would be better off having a 'QB controversy' than putting all their eggs in having only one potential long term starter on the roster.
Bingo.....
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Dont believe this for one minute. Prove it.

First, define MUCH better. What does that mean? I do not believe that most talent evaluators believe he is a MUCH better prospect than manziel. I can accept that some think he's a better prospect. But MUCH better? Not buying it.

Daniel Jeremiah as stated in the tweet I posted, manziel clearly has the most upside.
Bridgewater has far better mechanics, he's more consistently accurate(although Manziel is definitely more accurate on deep passes), he plays in a pro-style offense, and his decision making is better. For all of the highlight reel plays that Manziel makes he's also prone to throwing bad picks. He also has more serious size concerns than Bridgewater and his style of play makes that even more of an issue. People can bring up Drew Brees and Russell Wilson as examples of smaller guys that succeed but they're the exception and they both operate from the pocket primarily. Manziel is just as likely to follow in Vick's footsteps and struggle with injuries his whole career.

Manziel has shown huge improvements this year but he's still a raw prospect at this point. I really hope he succeeds because he's probably the most entertaining player in football right now but there are a lot of reasons to be skeptical.

Also upside is very overrated when you're talking about QB prospects IMO. Ryan Leaf was said to have more upside than Peyton Manning, Jamarcus Russell was one of the most physically gifted passers ever, and Michael Vick was supposed to revolutionize the position. I'll take the polished passer with adequate physical skills over the raw physical talent any day.
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Why not keep Hoyer and also draft a talented QB early? Cleveland would be better off having a 'QB controversy' than putting all their eggs in having only one potential long term starter on the roster.
Exactly. They are best served to take a QB they like in the top 2 rounds and see what they have later on. Its not a bad thing to have 2 good QBs. If Hoyer is great, cool. If he sucks then go with the rookie.
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Bridgewater has far better mechanics, he's more consistently accurate(although Manziel is definitely more accurate on deep passes), he plays in a pro-style offense, and his decision making is better. For all of the highlight reel plays that Manziel makes he's also prone to throwing bad picks. He also has more serious size concerns than Bridgewater and his style of play makes that even more of an issue. People can bring up Drew Brees and Russell Wilson as examples of smaller guys that succeed but they're the exception and they both operate from the pocket primarily. Manziel is just as likely to follow in Vick's footsteps and struggle with injuries his whole career.

Manziel has shown huge improvements this year but he's still a raw prospect at this point. I really hope he succeeds because he's probably the most entertaining player in football right now but there are a lot of reasons to be skeptical.
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Also upside is very overrated when you're talking about QB prospects IMO. Ryan Leaf was said to have more upside than Peyton Manning, Jamarcus Russell was one of the most physically gifted passers ever, and Michael Vick was supposed to revolutionize the position. I'll take the polished passer with adequate physical skills over the raw physical talent any day.
I don't necessarily disagree with your points but you didn't exactly address the main focus of your post. I think Manziel will be the better pro. I can accept that others feel differently. However, I think it's hyperbole to say Bridgewater is some significantly higher rated prospect. I'm reading lots of reports that just don't see Bridgewater as a #1 pick. Good arm but not great. Good accuracy but not great. Good mobility but not great. Hes a good QB prospect but hes not a luck or Newton, for that matter.
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