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Old 01-18-2014, 08:16 AM    (permalink
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Does anyone else think that Manziel looks like Tony Romo's younger brother? Not figuratively in terms of play, but literally.
That's the comparison I'd use for Manziel.

Although a slightly younger Romo - Tony can't run these days.
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Does anyone else think that Manziel looks like Tony Romo's younger brother? Not figuratively in terms of play, but literally.
I know you probably think we all look alike Ness but i would emphatically say no.
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Also, Johnny Manziel = Ryan Leaf.

Extraordinary skill set. No ability to be an actual professional.
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Also, Johnny Manziel = Ryan Leaf.

Extraordinary skill set. No ability to be an actual professional.
They are two totally different people and players. Manziel actually loves the game and plays with intensity and passion.
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Only problem I see with Manziel is does he love the game of football or love what the game of football brings him. Fame, Girls, Money etc...

I know it's a little of both for all great players,. See if Manning ( Goes to bed at 9pm ) or Brady take a day off cause they're hungover. I just think Johnny likes the " celebrity " of it all a little to much for my liking.
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Manziel didn't take a day off from football because he was hungover. He took a day off from making a celebrity appearance because he was hungover. There's a difference.
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They are two totally different people and players. Manziel actually loves the game and plays with intensity and passion.
Does Manziel love the game of football? Or does he love being competitive and getting lots of attention?

To me, you want a guy who is going to sit and study film. Who will lead by example. I can't see Manziel being that guy. Maybe the guy leading shots at the bar before game night.

I also think Manziel's physical prowess as a QB is overrated. I don't think he's a top tier thrower. I think he's small and frail. I think his athleticism is good but he has ball security issues and is going to end up with a lot of turnovers. Going to take some hard hits. Definitely an intense player but not a smart one and that combination won't work.

You look at RG3, Wilson, Kaep. Which of those guys runs around taking big hits? RG3 did. How'd that work out? Kaep has at time but he learned quickly to avoid them. I don't see Manziel being willing to slide 10 out of 10 times.
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Manziel never took the hits at A&M that Griffin did at Baylor or with the Redskins.

RG3 has/had a hero-complex as a runner and believes he can do anything as a ballcarrier if and when he chooses to run.

Manziel doesn't scramble like he's trying to prove to the world he's the best athlete on the football field. He's just trying to make a play.

How can anyone question Manziel's love for the game on a fanboard??

Do you know him?? Have you heard or read any scouting reports to the contrary??

You don't see a QB guru in the offseason and improve statistically on your Heisman trophy season unless the game of football matters to you.
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Who says a player can't love football and also love being competitive and getting attention? Why does it have to be one or the other?
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Who says a player can't love football and also love being competitive and getting attention? Why does it have to be one or the other?
Works for Lebron James. I do think in football it is a team game and you need to not try to beat your chest too much but Manziel will do fine.
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Manziel works tirelessly to improve his game. George Whitfield raves about the kid, and is a big reason for his improvement this past year.
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Well apparently the current rumors are that the Texans want to trade back, and the Browns have all but guaranteed that Manziel will be in Cleveland, meaning they'll likely have to give up a couple high picks along with the 4th overall. That also means that our new HC, who is a defensive expert, won't be able to spend a high pick on a defensive player, because you know this team isn't going to be able to sign anyone in FA. Add in the rumors that both Kruger and D'Qwell will be released... and... well...

Let the drinking commence...

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I really like Manziel but cannot fathom him going number one. Let alone a team giving up múltiple first rounders to move up for him.
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Well apparently the current rumors are that the Texans want to trade back, and the Browns have all but guaranteed that Manziel will be in Cleveland, meaning they'll likely have to give up a couple high picks along with the 4th overall. That also means that our new HC, who is a defensive expert, won't be able to spend a high pick on a defensive player, because you know this team isn't going to be able to sign anyone in FA. Add in the rumors that both Kruger and D'Qwell will be released... and... well...

Let the drinking commence...

I think we should wait to cross this bridge until we have to.
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I think we should wait to cross this bridge until we have to.
Well I'm standing right in the middle, waiting to get run over.
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Well I'm standing right in the middle, waiting to get run over.
A new coach probably wants to make a splash so they might shake things up a bit. The Browns should be able to upgrade several positions in the draft. From how he's looked at the senior bowl a guy like Derek Carr might be a great pick with that second 1st.

Hopefully you guys aren't on a bridge to nowhere.
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Babylon, how do you feel about him? I know you just said he'd make a nice pick late in the first, but what's he showing you to feel that way? Don't construe this as a disagreement. I haven't watched the dude play much -- for like 5 minutes if that.

I have read a bit like "lots of screens, but strong arm doe"
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Babylon, how do you feel about him? I know you just said he'd make a nice pick late in the first, but what's he showing you to feel that way? Don't construe this as a disagreement. I haven't watched the dude play much -- for like 5 minutes if that.

I have read a bit like "lots of screens, but strong arm doe"
It sounds like he's put some of the concerns to rest down in Mobile. He has a strong arm, moves around fairly well and seems to be a workaholic at being a QB. Clearly the #4 QB with a decent chance to move up into the top dozen picks or so.
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Well apparently the current rumors are that the Texans want to trade back, and the Browns have all but guaranteed that Manziel will be in Cleveland, meaning they'll likely have to give up a couple high picks along with the 4th overall. That also means that our new HC, who is a defensive expert, won't be able to spend a high pick on a defensive player, because you know this team isn't going to be able to sign anyone in FA. Add in the rumors that both Kruger and D'Qwell will be released... and... well...

Let the drinking commence...

Far more likely to trade with the Rams, it would be a lot cheaper. Texans say they want to move back but you'd have to overwhelm them with a huge offer to get them to move.
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The whole moving forward and backward thing is so stupid in my opinion, what bargaining power do the Texans/Rams really have?

Yes, they would love to pick up an additional pick, but if they are trading back they most likely aren't that enthralled with any of the quarterbacks and if they want Clowney they should just take the dude. Other than that, their guy will be there guaranteed at 4 if it isn't Clowney or a QB, and if I am the Browns I offer my second rounder and the #4 and that's that.... Picking up a top 5 pick in the second round as well as picking 4th is damn good compensation.
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because people like to be internet moralists.
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because people like to be internet moralists.
I love how because the guy is good, yet cocky, and likes to party he suddenly doesn't care about NFL.

When I am at work, I do work (and troll these message boards I guess) but when I'm on my free time I have fun. Doesn't mean I don't work hard when I am at work, some people take football like it needs to be 24/7, which it really doesn't.
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I love how because the guy is good, yet cocky, and likes to party he suddenly doesn't care about NFL.
Things like personality are fun to talk about because it doesn't require an ability to talk about his actual play.
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Manziel works tirelessly to improve his game. George Whitfield raves about the kid, and is a big reason for his improvement this past year.
Good post. Going into this season, I wasn't a Manziel guy. I didn't see the 2012 Johnny Manziel translating well to the NFL. He's my top Qb in this class.

If you Google "Bill Walsh evaluating QB," there's a page that contains how Walsh evaluates the QB (along with a link to his evaluation of other positions). Can't yet post links.

He's not 6'3, but other than that, Manziel fits Walsh's QB criteria as well as any QB prospect. I appreciate that different people have different criteria for the position, but I like Walsh's.
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