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Old 01-26-2014, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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Good post. Going into this season, I wasn't a Manziel guy. I didn't see the 2012 Johnny Manziel translating well to the NFL. He's my top Qb in this class.

If you Google "Bill Walsh evaluating QB," there's a page that contains how Walsh evaluates the QB (along with a link to his evaluation of other positions). Can't yet post links.

He's not 6'3, but other than that, Manziel fits Walsh's QB criteria as well as any QB prospect. I appreciate that different people have different criteria for the position, but I like Walsh's.
I was kind of the same way. I didn't think 2012 Manziel would translate well, so much scrambling, etc.

2013 is proving to be a better passer, but I still question that decision making of his. I think sometimes he trusts his arm too much, and he doesn't even have a top notch arm to sling it in places. Is it good? Yeah, but I just wonder if he'll get into trouble to start his career trying to force throws that aren't there.
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His anticipation and ball placement are remarkable.
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Cowboys should trade Tony Romo for Johnny Manziel. Would a team even take that offer? I have major doubts about that.
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I was kind of the same way. I didn't think 2012 Manziel would translate well, so much scrambling, etc.

2013 is proving to be a better passer, but I still question that decision making of his. I think sometimes he trusts his arm too much, and he doesn't even have a top notch arm to sling it in places. Is it good? Yeah, but I just wonder if he'll get into trouble to start his career trying to force throws that aren't there.
Think you have to keep in mind that he was playing in the SEC with one of the worst D's in college football. A punt was almost as bad as a TO for that team. I think he's a smart kid and a great competitor. He'll turnover the ball more than you'd like in his rookie year, but I expect him to make the necessary adjustments as his career progresses.
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Manziel is going to Cleveland, here is my reasoning.

At the end of last year we had the J offense.

QB - JASON Campbell
WR - JOSH Gordon
WR - JOSH Cooper
TE - JORDAN Cameron
LT - JOE Thomas
LG - JOHN Greco

That is an offense that maintains an over 50% first name J ratio, and with JIMMY Haslam as the owner running Pilot's Flying J it is imperative that they replace JASON Campbell with JOHNNY Manziel in order to keep things in balance.

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Manziel is going to Cleveland, here is my reasoning.

At the end of last year we had the J offense.

QB - JASON Campbell
WR - JOSH Gordon
WR - JOSH Cooper
TE - JORDAN Cameron
LT - JOE Thomas
LG - JOHN Greco

That is an offense that maintains an over 50% first name J ratio, and with JIMMY Haslam as the owner running Pilot's Flying J it is imperative that they replace JASON Campbell with JOHNNY Manziel in order to keep things in balance.

JUST my .02
Or they could draft Jadeveon Clowney and try him out at QB. He'd know what the defenders were thinking.
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Clowney would be lethal out of the wild cat. He played RB in HS.
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Or they could draft Jadeveon Clowney and try him out at QB. He'd know what the defenders were thinking.
They could add JUICE too.
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Jordy Nelson Would Be Mvp
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And julio jones in the slot holy **** its all coming together now maybe we can get jj abrams todirect our offense
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They could add JUICE too.
Add Mike Vick and run the new 3 QB option passing attack. No one could stop it just like Calais Campbell was quadruple teamed.

Add Jacob Tamme or Jermaine Gresham as well for a backup TE.
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Bortles and Odell Beckham. Good bye.
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Being able to watch Russell Wilson can't hurt Manziel. Things like Wilson's maturity and willingness not to try to do everything himself are positive traits Manziel can learn from.

Que the "but, but Manziel doesn't have teh samez armz strengthz!" comments.

Yeah, I get that they may not have the same arm strength, but it's not like people were universally raving about Wilson's arm strength in college.
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Yeah, I get that they may not have the same arm strength, but it's not like people were universally raving about Wilson's arm strength in college.
From the baseball background no one was really questioning it either though.
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From the baseball background no one was really questioning it either though.
Well, Manziel did play baseball in high school. No clue how good he was.
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Well, Manziel did play baseball in high school. No clue how good he was.
Considering Wilson played in college and was a MLB Draft pick, I am gonna guess Manziel wasn't in Wilson's class. With the success of Wilson and Colin Kaepernick I think teams are going to start putting a bit more stock into baseball backgrounds and less stock untraditional releases.
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Manziel's arm is plenty strong. He was the best deep passer in college football.
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- For all the criticism Manziel gets, he’s extremely good at hitting his targets downfield. His ‘NFL type’ throws in the 11-20 yard range is the highest in the top 8 QBs in this class at 70.5% and he’s slightly better than Bortles at hitting the 20+ yard throws.

- Before we start getting into the debates about Manziel scrambling around the heaving it up for Mike Evans…his accuracy was similar when throwing solely from the pocket, hitting 67% of his 11-20 yard passes and 59% of his 20+ yard passes


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BTW, this was posted in another thread which involved Manziel. Got that link via Jcn92:

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Deep passing does not prove arm strength to begin with.
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Yea Phil Rivers was the "best" deep passer in the NFL for multiple years
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Originally Posted by Camp Arm View Post
Deep passing does not prove arm strength to begin with.
This is true, but if you watched the games, you know it does't apply to Manziel. We're not talking about a bunch of lollipops.
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