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Old 05-25-2013, 04:21 PM    (permalink
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Manziel wasn't playing C-USA last season. He was dodging and weaving against some of the best defensive talent in the county playing in the SEC.
IMO that speed, quickness and elusiveness is going to translate at the next level.

If teams dedicate a spy to track him the entire game, it's only going to make completing passes that much easier for Johnny Football.

I'm not saying Manziel is going to dominate the NFL, but I do see a guy capable of starting for many teams in the NFL and playing well enough to keep his job for almost a decade.
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Manziel wasn't playing C-USA last season. He was dodging and weaving against some of the best defensive talent in the county playing in the SEC.
IMO that speed, quickness and elusiveness is going to translate at the next level.
No he wasn't...

South Carolina State- Not Ranked
Sam Houston State- Not Ranked
SMU- 66th
Arkansas- 75th
Ole MIss- 50th
Louisiana Tech- 125th
Auburn- 81st
Mississippi State- 60th
Missouri- 61st
Oklahoma- 44th

Alabama-1
Florida-5
LSU- 8

They played 3 good defenses, 3 terrible defenses, 3 below average defenses, and 4 average defenses. He was mediocre against Florida (first ever start), and terrible against LSU. The only time he went up against a legitimate defense and was successful was against Alabama.
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No he wasn't...

South Carolina State- Not Ranked
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SMU- 66th
Arkansas- 75th
Ole MIss- 50th
Louisiana Tech- 125th
Auburn- 81st
Mississippi State- 60th
Missouri- 61st
Oklahoma- 44th

Alabama-1
Florida-5
LSU- 8

They played 3 good defenses, 3 terrible defenses, 3 below average defenses, and 4 average defenses. He was mediocre against Florida (first ever start), and terrible against LSU. The only time he went up against a legitimate defense and was successful was against Alabama.
Now look at that schedule and count how many defensive players were drafted last April? My point still stands. It's not the ranking, it's who he was individually actually playing against.

BTW who were the top 10 defenses in the BCS in 2012???

It's funny to me that people kind of blow off Manziel's game against Alabama as an afterthought, the performance that basically won him the Heisman, but then you harp on his 'bad games' against LSU and Florida.

Here's a highlight vid of A&M against LSU.

(Please watch the entire clip!)

Manziel is featured about 7 times among all the highlight plays featured. I was impressed with his performance in general against LSU. He definitely belonged on the field with those guys.
Check out his scramble at 1:35. That's just crazy. Watch the throws he's making for those who think his arm is below average.

The only knock I have against Manziel is he's short. Other than that, I'd try to build an offense around him at the next level and let him play his game.

Manziel is just a pure playmaker and that's what makes him special.
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Now look at that schedule and count how many defensive players were drafted last April? My point still stands. It's not the ranking, it's who he was individually actually playing against.


It's funny to me that people kind of blow off Manziel's game against Alabama as an afterthought, the performance that basically won him the Heisman, but then you harp on his 'bad games' against LSU and Florida.
I'm not blowing off the Alabama game. But people continue to say "He plays against the best defenses in the country." No he doesn't he played good defenses three times. One good game, one mediocre game, and one terrible game.

Everyone else they played was pretty much devoid of NFL talent. Mississippi State had two second round DBs. He didn't throw any TDs against them. So basically, he had one good game against teams with NFL talent at defense.
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I'm not blowing off the Alabama game. But people continue to say "He plays against the best defenses in the country." No he doesn't he played good defenses three times. One good game, one mediocre game, and one terrible game.

Everyone else they played was pretty much devoid of NFL talent. Mississippi State had two second round DBs. He didn't throw any TDs against them. So basically, he had one good game against teams with NFL talent at defense.
you act as if all college qbs go against nfl caliber talent every week. I mean was Cam Newton criticized for playing Arkansas St, ULM, Chattanooga, btw, Kentucky hasn't been great in a while and he played them, during that time they were known for a poor run defense, and he also played against Miss ST, 2 tds, 1 int. Against LSU he threw for 86 yards, yeah he got them on the ground but different scheme, they could stop doing the read option, block everybody and run him like a big halfback. 0 tds against Kentucky 1 interception.

There aren't that many defensive backs coming out every year that will set the world on fire. Thats why teams continue to select tons of them every year. There are a 120 FBS teams and many more small schools, and NFL is compromised of players from a wide range of them. Back when Tebow was playing , I believe it was Henne? that shredded the UF secondary with a bunch of guys that were highly touted draft picks later on. How has that worked out? Adrian Arrington was going to be the next Marques Colston based off that game......

How many future NFL defenders did Luck or RG3 face?

I think some people just get baffled by the idea of a white quarterback that can run so well, and on top of that he can throw pretty well too. Its always the same line of thinking "oh it won't translate to the next level". "Does not compute". Why did no one question the ability of guys like RG3 or Newton to scramble in the NFL? Its what people are programmed to think, stereotypical thinking, whites = pocket passers, blacks - running or mobile qbs. Despite guys like Locker that can run, or Tannehill who was put at wideout at one point, both ran the option, but yeah they can't run.....sure, the only thing I know is their coaches discourage them from running in the NFL, just get the first down, slide or out of bounds. I don't know how fast Johnny's straight line speed is, but it looks pretty damn fast, the more important thing is his agility and ability to make people miss.

Yeah those guys are bigger, (RG3 looks pretty thin, he weighs like 20 pounds more but is taller, and I am sure Manziel could get close to the same weight) but his weight right now is around what Wilson weighs, and there are many football players who weigh less that get hit more. He could probably get to 210, 215, there are plenty of runningbacks that are 5-10 to 6 foot and 200 to 220 pounds that take more punishment. He isn't going to be asked to run in between the tackles consistently.

Quarterbacks are football players too, and believe it or not, can survive hits. Drew Brees gets hit quite a bit at a smaller size, even though you don't see him run and get hit, he gets hit quite a bit right after he throws the ball, and of course sacks. As far as arm strength, people are comparing his "guns' to Russel Wilson like it matters. Tim Tebow has big guns, hasn't helped him one bit. Arm strength comes from more than what your biceps/triceps look like, the power comes from more than just the arm. I have found improving the strength of your core improves arm strength tremendously. The guy had one year of play as a freshman that is still filling out his frame against SEC competition. Look at Michael Vick's arms, not that big, yet he has a strong "arm". Not saying Manziel has as strong of an arm, but its not weak. Also look at Vick's cousin Aaron Brooks, now hes out of the league, but the guy had a cannon, also, not very big arms.

It really is hard to gauge his arm strength when he is scrambling around not setting his feet much and throwing from weird angles though, it gets the job done, maybe he be more confined to the pocket as time goes around and scramble less, but its one of his strengths, so I don't see why he shouldn't. Brees was criticized for lack of arm strength coming out, similar size, although he could run, (4.7 speed), nowhere near the level of Manziel. He also throws from weird angles often so they don't get batted down.

I don't think the loss of the tackle will hurt him, the loss I am most worried about his Klingsbury, he is a good coach.

the same damn cliches get thrown out "just because a guy was a great college player doesn't mean he can do it in the NFL", yeah so lets just not try to use them at all and tell great college football players they should be looking for other lines of work.
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It is interesting to read the comments.

Everyone is focussed on what he can't do or what physical tools he lacks.

He isn't big enough, well guys like Flutie, Brees, Wilson, Garcia etc have performed well. He doesn't have elite arm strength (yet at least), well there have been plenty of capable players who have succeded there in the NFL as well.

This kid is still a playmaker and seems to fit the mould of QB that is fashionable for many teams. You also have to factor in the competition, he isn't playing against lower division teams. There is alot more to being a successful NFL QB than physical tools and a cannon for an arm.

The guy is a freshman, he still has alot of things he can improve both physically and technique-wise. Let's see how he develops and performs. There is at least another full season of football before any draft consideration comes in to play.

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I just got myself with that one, had to youtube that song, so great.
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I am cautiously on the draft Manziel bandwagon. I seriously consider him a possible first rounder. It depends on his season.

He has issues. Of this there is no doubt. But his issues are fixable, and he already has things that are not easily acquired.

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Johnny Football has one foot out the door to the NFL already. We'll see how that affects his game this season.



Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel hinted on Twitter early Sunday that he plans to leave College Station after this season.
The 2012 Heisman winner has three seasons of NCAA eligibility remaining, but can enter the draft as soon as 2014. "I can't want to leave College Station," tweeted Manziel, before deleting the tweet. Manziel later expressed his "love" for Texas A&M, but told his Twitter followers to "walk a day in my shoes." Opinions about Manziel's NFL projection are already all over the map. NFL Network draft analyst and former veteran NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah recently likened Johnny Football's game to Jeff Garcia's.
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That's such a non-story. The kid was just drunk at the bar, was drunkenly pissed off at some chick drama, and got on the Twitter machine.
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I have no probs with him or his tweets. I just wish I really could walk a day in his shoes.
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I don't think this guy has a future in the NFL at all and think he'll end up accomplishing less than Tebow has.
I know that comment could come back and sig-bite me, but I don't like his passing.
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This is likely the case. I cannot even imagine the amount of **** he has to deal with being in a tiny ass College Station.
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This is likely the case. I cannot even imagine the amount of **** he has to deal with being in a tiny ass College Station.
Not sure he handles all the limelight all that well to tell you the truth. Stay under the radar and have a big year and you can right your own meal ticket. He's already acting like he's in the NFL.
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Not sure he handles all the limelight all that well to tell you the truth. Stay under the radar and have a big year and you can right your own meal ticket. He's already acting like he's in the NFL.
I agree quite a bit. He made a statement about "try living a day in my shoes". When an athlete says that, I shake my head. Is it ideal to be anywhere and have people constantly hitting you up? No but he's not doing himself any favors by doing any public event he's asked to go to. Manziel is showing some immaturity, and that's fine to extent because he is only 20 but if he expects to head to the NFL in less than twelve months, he needs to grow up.
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I agree quite a bit. He made a statement about "try living a day in my shoes". When an athlete says that, I shake my head. Is it ideal to be anywhere and have people constantly hitting you up? No but he's not doing himself any favors by doing any public event he's asked to go to. Manziel is showing some immaturity, and that's fine to extent because he is only 20 but if he expects to head to the NFL in less than twelve months, he needs to grow up.
He does sound so persecuted to have to play there at College Station doesn't he. There are those that say he should be able to live a normal college life, which may involve some late nights, but when you're a big time athlete trouble tends to find you rather easily.
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That's such a non-story. The kid was just drunk at the bar, was drunkenly pissed off at some chick drama, and got on the Twitter machine.
I know players are worshiped in their college towns, but I don't think a bar's going to risk their liquor license by serving him.

Poor Johnny Football wants people to walk a day in his shoes. I'm sure everyone would hate having 9000 chicks grab at their junk with every step they take.
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He's going to the NFL, but right now he's acting like a spoiled kid. No NFL team is going to put that in a leadership role (like a starting QB would be).

If he doesn't smarten up, he's going to be drafted where I think he should be and not where his hype machine seems to think he should be.
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Not sure he handles all the limelight all that well to tell you the truth. Stay under the radar and have a big year and you can right your own meal ticket. He's already acting like he's in the NFL.
Oh, he definitely brought a lot of negativity on himself. I can say from my time at A&M, whenever someone was doing well in sports (obviously never to this level) people would always try to talk to them or whatever, I bet that gets old real quick. That said, the national attention is inherent given the Heisman status.
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This is likely the case. I cannot even imagine the amount of **** he has to deal with being in a tiny ass College Station.
In January he's probably going to be done there. In a year he'll probably be getting ready for an NFL training camp. Suck it up for 6 months, take online classes, live off campus, drive to practice and back, and don't go to college bars (I'm guessing that he actually doesn't mind his treatment in the bars).

Don't go whine on twitter. In fact, that's good advice for anybody: don't go whine on twitter.

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You'd be surprised.

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Johnny Football has one foot out the door to the NFL already. We'll see how that affects his game this season.



Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel hinted on Twitter early Sunday that he plans to leave College Station after this season.
The 2012 Heisman winner has three seasons of NCAA eligibility remaining, but can enter the draft as soon as 2014. "I can't want to leave College Station," tweeted Manziel, before deleting the tweet. Manziel later expressed his "love" for Texas A&M, but told his Twitter followers to "walk a day in my shoes." Opinions about Manziel's NFL projection are already all over the map. NFL Network draft analyst and former veteran NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah recently likened Johnny Football's game to Jeff Garcia's.
I hate that nickname.

For the record, since a lot of people have been raising the upper body build, Ton Brady was a skinny kid coming out of college. It was one of the knocks against him.

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http://fansided.com/2013/06/19/johnn...inning-season/

The more that comes out about this kid the less of an NFL QB he seems by the day.
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