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Old 06-26-2013, 03:21 PM    (permalink
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So by this rationale, everyone charged with a crime ends up being guilty. Seeing as how we know that obviously isn't true, how do you explain that? A ton of people said Ray Lewis and OJ did it too, why aren't they still rotting in jail?
Was there more media in society now or back then? OJ? Damn why not go further back while you're at it?
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Where do you get the jury from? Isolated island where there is no tv, media or anything? You get a jury from your peers, who in this media drive society, will know everything.
You underestimate the stupidity of people. There are a ton of people who have no idea what is going on in the world. I've worked on Presidential Campaigns and there are people, a week from the election who when we spoke to them didn't even know who was running.
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Maybe, but it still has to be proven. Again, we should change our laws in this country to say guilty until proven innocent. It pretty much is the standard mentality in this country.

I could careless either way the outcome, but it is interesting to see everyones reaction when stuff like this happens. People normally always side with guilty guess when it comes to this stuff.
The guy pretty much shapes public opinion by not cooperating with the law from the beginning.
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You underestimate the stupidity of people. There are a ton of people who have no idea what is going on in the world. I've worked on Presidential Campaigns and there are people, a week from the election who when we spoke to them didn't even know who was running.
Let's hope that's the case especially in MA. I went to school up there and they are passionate about their sports. Let's hope they don't know who AR is.

Either way, I am looking forward to seeing both sides present their case.
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The guy pretty much shapes public opinion by not cooperating with the law from the beginning.
That was a stupid move on his part. But then again, you have a big section of people in this country that don't like law enforcement and they have the idea that they are out to get them. So if they are trying to get you or want to talk to you, who knows what his lawyer said. I remember that being reported and thought that was stupid on his part. Which is why I think in response you saw him get arrested the way he did in front of the cameras.

If I am sure if he had cooperated he probably would have been afforded the chance to turn himself in. He didn't help them, and so when they came to arrest him, ah well, he got a rude awakening that way.
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Yes usually, but not always.

I think there is a bigger cloud of doubt regarding Lewis compared to OJ anyhow.
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Where do you get the jury from? Isolated island where there is no tv, media or anything? You get a jury from your peers, who in this media drive society, will know everything.

And that's the rub, sure in a court room you are innocent until proven guilty, but it's almost impossible for someone to get a fair shake. Everything knows about the guy, and circumstances regarding the case.

Unless the jury is going to be 80 year old grannies who don't know how this guy is. If you find that sure, then it's fine.

I think the court of public opinion is mostly always slanted towards guilt. When stuff like this happens how many people say, man that guy or girl is not guilty? Every time, just watch, you will see people say damn that person is screwed.

And who comprises the jury? People like you and me and others . You try not to get biased people, but now with social media, and 24/7 news it will be tough.
We know a lot about football because we're junkies. Our friends and family probably know a lot also, because we tell them about this stuff. We're a small group, though. I bet that 90% of the US population has no clue that Aaron Hernandez is being charged with first degree murder. Most people probably haven't even heard of him unless they play fantasy football.

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We know a lot about football because we're junkies. Our friends and family probably know a lot also, because we tell them about this stuff. We're a small group, though. I bet that 90% of the US population has no clue that Aaron Hernandez is being charged with first degree murder. Most people probably haven't even heard of him unless they play fantasy football.
That's when media will inform them. Newspaper, online, twitter, FB, and whatever media outlet. I have apps that give me news updates. How many people have that on their phones and tablets? I am not saying every single person would know, but with social media, and smart phones and so on, it helps people be informed of things.

If the national media reports this and cnn and foxnews runs with this those are two big networks now that will carry this story to millions.

Now when interviewing for a jury, I don't know this but you interview for people within the town? State? Or can you bring people from other states? It's just your town or state when you're number is called in the mail, right?
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I am having trouble even comprehending this level of stupidity on hernandez's part. Here I was thinking that the police just didn't have a ton of evidence on him which is why this was taking so long. Come to find out, he just left so much ******* evidence lying around it took them a week and a half to collect it all. How are you so ******* stupid?
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I am having trouble even comprehending this level of stupidity on hernandez's part. Here I was thinking that the police just didn't have a ton of evidence on him which is why this was taking so long. Come to find out, he just left so much ******* evidence lying around it took them a week and a half to collect it all. How are you so ******* stupid?
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Hernandez clearly is an idiot in many ways, but FWIW he got a 30 on the Wonderlic. He is a careless, irresponsible **** tard but he must have some sort of intelligence.
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Hernandez clearly is an idiot in many ways, but FWIW he got a 30 on the Wonderlic. He is a careless, irresponsible **** tard but he must have some sort of intelligence.
Have you ever taken one of those? They're embarrassingly easy.
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Have you ever taken one of those? They're embarrassingly easy.
I have not, but I'm pretty sure that's well above the average score for NFL prospects.

A work related story-we have been trying to place Java Engineers at work, and the Wonderlic is a required step in the hiring process. The prospective engineers had to score above a 35, which is apparently in the 80-90 percentile for people. A lot of these engineers failed to get a 35 so it can't be a cake walk for the average person to score a 30.
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My friend, the Wonderlic means nothing.
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The text messages kind of trip me out. "Did you see who I'm with?" ... "NFL" ... "Just so you know"

Maybe it's just me, but that's kind of chilling. If Hernandez did do it, then it's almost like the victim ID'd his own killer.

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Maybe it's just me, but that's kind of chilling. If Hernandez did do it, then it's almost like the victim ID'd his own killer.
where can you read the messages?
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Was there more media in society now or back then? OJ? Damn why not go further back while you're at it?
So basically(what you didn't answer) is that any high profile person that gets convicted of a crime is 100% of the time found guilty because of social media. Right? If not, I'd love to hear why not..
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where can you read the messages?
Prosecutor read them.

He sent that to his sister ONE MINUTE before shots were fired.
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I don't know much about it, but I am aware of that at least. It clearly doesn't factor in a person's rational decision making abilities.
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where can you read the messages?
I heard something along those lines during the arraignment and then I read the quotes in a Sporting News article.

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McCauley also shared final text messages from Lloyd to a family member: "Did you see who I'm with?" ... "NFL" ... "Just so you know"
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...ation-patriots

I assume they got the quotes right.

Edit: The Boston Herald has the same quote and says that they were to his sister at 3:07 and 3:22.
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Lloyd texted his sister at 3:07 a.m., saying “Did you see who I’m with,” McCauley said. When his sister responded, Lloyd again texted at 3:22 a.m. “NFL” and then “Just so you know.”

Surveillance footage showed the rented silver Nissan Altima that Hernandez was driving went down the remote gravel road in North Attleboro leading to the industrial area where Lloyd’s body was found at 3:23 a.m., McCauley said. “At 3:27 a.m., the car came back up the road, McCauley said. People who were working the overnight shift at a nearby business reported hearing multiple gunshots at about that time, McCauley said.

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1. Video of Hernandez leaving his house WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND to pick up the victim.
2. Texts from the victim to a family member in which he specifically makes sure that they saw who he left with...pretty clear he was worried.
3. Video showing the abandoned rental vehicle coming and going to his house several times on the night of the murder.
4. Video of him returning to his house WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND just a few minutes after the industrial park workers reportedly heard gunshots.

That's the evidence that we KNOW they have right now, right?
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