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Old 11-17-2013, 12:37 AM    (permalink
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So here are a few guys that I personally think would benefit from another year in school. I wrote about a couple of these on my site also, but I am a "rookie" here so I can't post a link.
I was wondering if knowledgeable people agree or not?

Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama: I think his balance can be pretty bad, and he lunges at defenders way too much. Can develop into a dominant player/top-5 talent, but he isn't there yet for me.

Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA: I think Hundley is another super talented kid, but he's still young, and looked really bad against Stanford and Oregon. Another year could cement him as the top QB.

De'Anthony Thomas, RB/WR, Oregon: The injury hurt, especially since his size will instantly have teams questioning durability. For me he has to play WR in the league or at least line up in the slot most of the time. I think a year of working on WR skills would be huge for him.

Aaron Lynch, DE, USF: I honestly see a different player now than at Notre Dame.

Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington: I don't think he has great vision, kind of reminds me of Michael Pittman in Tampa. Always ran so hard, but a lot of times right into lineman. He also could stand to put on a couple pounds.

Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss: Let's face it there are just better receivers out there. Why not get better, play on a better Ole Miss team, and make sure you are first round pick? The expectations pre-season were much higher than what he has shown.
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Kouandjio can improve, but I think he's a safe bet to go in the top twelve or so and should declare. Here are some guys who came to mind for me:

QB Brett Hundley, UCLA**

OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M*

DT Anthony Johnson, Louisiana St.*

DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame*

LB Adrian Hubbard, Alabama*

CB Loucheiz Purifoy, Florida*

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There's probably a lot more that I'm not thinking of, but the first one that comes to mind is Brett Hundley.
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Kouandjio can improve, but I think he's a safe bet to go in the top twelve or so and should declare. Here are some guys who came to mind for me:

QB Brett Hundley, UCLA**

OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M*

DT Anthony Johnson, Louisiana St.*

DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame*

LB Adrian Hubbard, Alabama*

CB Loucheiz Purifoy, Florida*

CB Marcus Roberson, Florida*
Agree with Hundley, Ogbuehi and Roberson. Can see arguments either way for the others. But I'm curious as to why u think Tuitt should stay?
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Melvin Gordon. A lot of people have begun to assign him a draft stock and I've seen him going high as a top 45 pick. In my opinion he needs to stay in Wisconsin another year. Alot of his big gains were on jet sweeps and he must become more complete as a runner and develop as a pass catcher as well. Next year Abbrederis and Pedersen will be gone everyone will know Gordon is the center piece of the offense. If he still performs well then he has solidified himself as a top 2 round player.
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Hundley doesn't look ready, but he should still come out if he's got a good chance to be a top 15 pick. He's only 20 and appears to have a lot of tools. He should take the opportunity to get paid while he develops. Hopefully the team that takes him will get that he's young and raw.
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Hundley doesn't look ready, but he should still come out if he's got a good chance to be a top 15 pick. He's only 20 and appears to have a lot of tools. He should take the opportunity to get paid while he develops. Hopefully the team that takes him will get that he's young and raw.
That sounds like an NBA mentality. Right now he isn't better than a Blake Gabbert. Like Gabbert he probably could get drafted pretty high but there's a real chance he is nothing more than a backup or gone in 3 years. He reminds me of Jason Campbell out of Aurburn.
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That sounds like an NBA mentality. Right now he isn't better than a Blake Gabbert. Like Gabbert he probably could get drafted pretty high but there's a real chance he is nothing more than a backup or gone in 3 years. He reminds me of Jason Campbell out of Aurburn.
Jason Campbell has been collecting an NFL paycheck for a decade. I doubt another year of college would have turned Campbell into Payton Manning.
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Agree with Hundley, Ogbuehi and Roberson. Can see arguments either way for the others. But I'm curious as to why u think Tuitt should stay?
He hasn't been good this season. Physically and athletically, you'd think he could be a first-round pick, but selecting him there based on his junior campaign would require drafting based almost exclusively on potential.
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Point taken.

I guess if that's your goal to just collect a paycheck then Hundley should come out.
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Point taken.

I guess if that's your goal to just collect a paycheck then Hundley should come out.
The magic of the NFL is that he can play football AND collect a paycheck. Crazy, huh.
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Most QBs needs to stay for at least 4 years in college.

I just don't see Hundley having a smooth transition into an NFL starter in 2014 if he leaves early.

But I do think he could take a HUGE leap in the overall refinement of his game if he stays for another season.

Jason Campbell at Auburn simply was not the level of player Hundley is.

JC was a game-manager at Auburn who played with the two best RBs in college football and a lights out defense. His mission was not to turn the ball over and occasionally take a deep shot downfield.
He wasn't surgically dissecting college defenses at Auburn.

Hundley needs to stay in school because when he's faced with a defensive alignment he's never played against, he struggles more than a top pick should.

If he stays for another year Hundley will be a much better pro in 2015.
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He hasn't been good this season. Physically and athletically, you'd think he could be a first-round pick, but selecting him there based on his junior campaign would require drafting based almost exclusively on potential.
this was what i wouldve answered as well. He had a great first half of the season last year and a good 2-3 games in this season now he has played himself into shape. That being said i think if he can put it all together in his senior season he is a top 10 pick, thats a bunch higher than now
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Hint hint, don't draft Wisconsin runningbacks.....duh.
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Kouandjio can improve, but I think he's a safe bet to go in the top twelve or so and should declare. Here are some guys who came to mind for me:

QB Brett Hundley, UCLA**

OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M*

DT Anthony Johnson, Louisiana St.*

DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame*

LB Adrian Hubbard, Alabama*

CB Loucheiz Purifoy, Florida*

CB Marcus Roberson, Florida*
I disagree on Purifoy. I really like what he brings to the table.
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He hasn't been good this season. Physically and athletically, you'd think he could be a first-round pick, but selecting him there based on his junior campaign would require drafting based almost exclusively on potential.
He hasn't been good because of offseason surgery. If he comes into the combine at his normal playing weight (15-20 lbs lighter) he is a surefire 1st rounder.
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I personally think the Campbell/Hundley comparisons are absurd. The difference in the way the game is played alone makes Hundley a better prospect coming in. Furthermore, he is a much more accurate passer as a sophomore than Campbell was as a Senior. Running the ball, it's not even close. There are also a lot more throws by Hundley to evaluate than there were on Campbell (or Gabbert???). Come on!
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Face it, most of them are likely to declare, why risk another year of college ball where you can get seriously hurt and never see a payday.

They learn nothing about the pro game while staying in college and are far better served training in a pro camp.

Only a few well off kids are likely to stay who really think they can wait for the money.

Careers in the NFL average about 3 to 4 years so why waste another year getting beat up physically in college.
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Face it, most of them are likely to declare, why risk another year of college ball where you can get seriously hurt and never see a payday.

They learn nothing about the pro game while staying in college and are far better served training in a pro camp.

Only a few well off kids are likely to stay who really think they can wait for the money.

Careers in the NFL average about 3 to 4 years so why waste another year getting beat up physically in college.
Exactly - most of them could use the extra year - but if you were in their shoes a) you'd want to be tested against the best in the NFL and b) how can you turn down even mid round money?
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Yeah, I think Jason Campbell's a poor comparison for Hundley. I see a Syracuse Donovan McNabb when I look at Hundley.

Moncrief's not going to get any faster with another year so he might as well. Especially if Treadwell gets all the shine.

Sankey I'm not real impressed with. Reminds me of Uconn's Jordan Todman.

Aaron Lynch looks like a bust in waiting. Strictly a 34 OLB at this point and severely underpowered.

Agreed on DAT. Right now he's looking like another Jacoby Ford.

Kouandjio I like. Although I haven't watched him a ton. But there's a lot to work with there.

I think Louis Nix might want to return, just based on his play. Cam Irving, Antonio Richardson, Vic Beasley, Timmy Jernigan, could likely improve their stock with returning.

And I think Melvin Gordon should come out. With the shelf life of RBs being shorter; he's proved what he can do.
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I love Moncrief but he probably should declare. I don't know about there being may better receivers out there though, and he has displayed an extra gear this year that many didn't think he had. He should be a first round pick and if he finishes the year strong along with a solid pre-draft process, and I anticipate he will do both, he could get some top 15 consideration. We have other good receivers who will be back next, namely Treadwell who already looks like a star, so it is hard to envision him getting more opportunities to showcase what he can do beyond this season.
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Allen Robinson is an interesting case.

I see him as a more late-1st/early-2nd kind of a prospect.

But I'm not sure that he can really improve his stock any more if he stays.
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Yeah, I think Jason Campbell's a poor comparison for Hundley. I see a Syracuse Donovan McNabb when I look at Hundley.

Moncrief's not going to get any faster with another year so he might as well. Especially if Treadwell gets all the shine.

Sankey I'm not real impressed with. Reminds me of Uconn's Jordan Todman.

Aaron Lynch looks like a bust in waiting. Strictly a 34 OLB at this point and severely underpowered.

Agreed on DAT. Right now he's looking like another Jacoby Ford.

Kouandjio I like. Although I haven't watched him a ton. But there's a lot to work with there.

I think Louis Nix might want to return, just based on his play. Cam Irving, Antonio Richardson, Vic Beasley, Timmy Jernigan, could likely improve their stock with returning.

And I think Melvin Gordon should come out. With the shelf life of RBs being shorter; he's proved what he can do.
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Cam Erving has only been an Offensive Linemen for 2 years he still has a lot to learn and is learning from the mentor of Willie Anderson.
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