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Old 04-04-2007, 08:54 PM    (permalink) 
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i think this one will just like be the lance briggs situation
Yeah, but there is a better chance of it going down because we actually need a CB.

We're fine at LB at the moment.
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Yeah, but there is a better chance of it going down because we actually need a CB.

We're fine at LB at the moment.
Nobody would ever make the trade you proposed.


I wouldn't even give up one of those firsts with Samuel for Springs and the 6th.
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ahhhh hell no!!!no way do we trade Samuel and our twofrist for Springs and a first.

listen to me, Samuel isnt worth trading for a 1st rounder right now. New England cant afford right now to have another CB waiting to learn who cant step in right away. They need him now. With Asnate gone, who would they use at the other CB? New England is smart, and i think they will keep him and wont trade, they will lock him up long term soon, cuz he sure as hell is worth it. If you ask me, i think hes better than Clements, anddeserves that kinda money.
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Maybe for just the 28, but not chance in hell is there going to be both firsts.

I'd like Asante to Detroit with #24 for #2 and #34. :)
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There is a difference between Branch and Asante.

Asante is arguably a top 5 corner.

Branch is not a top 10 wideout.

Branch had Brady throwing to him, that makes many receivers look good.

Asante is the key to our secondary and Pioli will give him an extension.
That is why I said if we would ask for more than we asked for in Deion's case. All of those points you listed are reasons why I said Branch isn't going anywhere.
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About damn time. I was wondering what was wrong with Samuel and Dwight Freeney to not make a stink about the fact that they're getting hosed.
Dwight Freeney has done nothing of the sort, actually. If a deal doesn't get done by July 15th, then he'll play out his one-year deal without a fuss.

I'd mainly attribute that to Freeney, and Edge before him who was also franchise-tagged, having been 1st rounders and paid more money in a year than Briggs and Samuel have made combined in their young careers. Still, I think it's foolish of them to turn away from their considerable 2007 figures.

Good for the Chicago Bears' front office for turning down the Washington trade, proving a point that they do the business in their franchise, not their disgruntled players.
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Dwight Freeney has done nothing of the sort, actually. If a deal doesn't get done by July 15th, then he'll play out his one-year deal without a fuss.

I'd mainly attribute that to Freeney, and Edge before him who was also franchise-tagged, having been 1st rounders and paid more money in a year than Briggs and Samuel have made combined in their young careers. Still, I think it's foolish of them to turn away from their considerable 2007 figures.

Good for the Chicago Bears' front office for turning down the Washington trade, proving a point that they do the business in their franchise, not their disgruntled players.
Yes I know that, but on behalf of the "somebody other than Briggs" campaign, as I can actually sympathize with Briggs' complaints (as much as anyone can sympathize with someone making 7.2 million).
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Trade proposition

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Cards grab Staley with 28
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nope, still wouldnt do it. I wouldnt trade Samuel for a draft pick. They can still get a solid CB where they are right now. They dont have a burning need for anything else right now. Whats the point in trading your best CB, also one of the best i nthe league for another draft pick. Keep him and lock him up. Mark it down. THE PATRIOTS WILL NOT TRADE ASANTE SAMUEL!
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I'd do that if the Cards threw in their second, or at worst, their third...

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nope, still wouldnt do it. I wouldnt trade Samuel for a draft pick. They can still get a solid CB where they are right now. They dont have a burning need for anything else right now. Whats the point in trading your best CB, also one of the best i nthe league for another draft pick. Keep him and lock him up. Mark it down. THE PATRIOTS WILL NOT TRADE ASANTE SAMUEL!
its not a question wether u would or not. its Beoli and im furious with them right now.

give a 2nd and then pay 3.something mill per year for a slot WR and ecent KR man but u wont pay Samuel who supposivly wants "Dre Bly money" which is a very good asking price.
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Trade proposition

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Cards grab Staley with 28
Add in the Cards 3rd round pick and you got a deal.

Cards #5 pick = 1700

Pats #28 pick = 660
Asante (best corner in draft, worth around the #10 pick) = 1300

1960 > 1700
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hey what about a Samuel for Briggs trade straight up? Both franchised for about the same amount of money. Pats need a linebacker for the inside, and arent both the bears corners next year free agents?
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its not a question wether u would or not. its Beoli and im furious with them right now.

give a 2nd and then pay 3.something mill per year for a slot WR and ecent KR man but u wont pay Samuel who supposivly wants "Dre Bly money" which is a very good asking price.
I agree with you. Dre Bly money seems reasonable. But then again, we don't know the whole story, so I guess that's that.

And I am pretty sure due to the trade, Welker is only getting 1.5 per...
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hey what about a Samuel for Briggs trade straight up? Both franchised for about the same amount of money. Pats need a linebacker for the inside, and arent both the bears corners next year free agents?
1. Briggs is a whining ***** ..worse than Samuel by a mile in terms of crying

2. Pats need an ILB that is willing to play a 3-4. Remember when Briggs said he has no interest in playing for 3-4 because it doesnt suit him? Forget him
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hey what about a Samuel for Briggs trade straight up? Both franchised for about the same amount of money. Pats need a linebacker for the inside, and arent both the bears corners next year free agents?
Personally, I'd pass. The Bears would make out by a lot. We need to get younger at LB more than anything...
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hey what about a Samuel for Briggs trade straight up? Both franchised for about the same amount of money. Pats need a linebacker for the inside, and arent both the bears corners next year free agents?
I'd rather just resign Tillman for cheaper. Cornerback isn't a very important position in our defense anyway.
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I don't know about a lot. The positional value is a big skewed, but I think Briggs is a higher ranked OLB than Samuel is a CB.
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I don't know about a lot. The positional value is a big skewed, but I think Briggs is a higher ranked OLB than Samuel is a CB.
A good CB is harder to find than a good OLB though
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I said that right in my post.
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Asante (best corner in draft, worth around the #10 pick)
Enough of this crap. Just because he's better than the players doesn't mean he's worth more than them. Any semi-intelligent fan knows that. Draft picks are over valued.
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Part of the reason draft picks are over valued is that potential is involved. Everyone is saying that Samuel is better than any corner in the draft, but do we really know that? It's highly likely, but you never know how good a player will become when he has never played a single down in the NFL.
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Good for him, he just saw a cornerback worse thren him become the highest paid defensive player in the league. He should use what power he has to his advantage and force the Patriots hand
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I'm not all that opposed to trading him, if we can get a deal. The Cardinals deal sounds good, since we could draft Landry or Johnson if he falls(...he won't...I know. Let me dream lol) and then get Zak DeOssie in the 3rd. Still, I would prefer to see him stay. But theres no chance in hell we're going to give him the money he wants.
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