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Old 09-10-2013, 09:14 PM    (permalink
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One thing I just thought of was whether or not Willis McGahee wouldn't have got injured in the NC game. If he didn't, I think the Texans go with him over Andre Johnson. Not sure if they would but they needed a back to complement Carr so that would have been a possibility. I think Scott even had him mocked to go to the Texans.
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This similar to the "Who had greatness derailed by injuries" thread. It's a simple concept - What if things were different? What do you think would have happened if certain players had fulfilled their potential or weren't so quickly abandoned in favor of others? What if certain players chose one team over another in free agency?

For instance, what could have happened to David Carr if Texans didn't have a trash offensive line? What would have happened if Eli had stayed in San Diego with Rivers going to the Giants? What if Deion had stayed in San Francisco?

I'll start with one that always bugs me:

What if Randall Cunningham had proper coaching in Philadelphia?



I honestly think the Eagles would have become the early dynasty of the 90s instead of the Cowboys. They already had the lethal defense and with a properly developed and coached offense, in particular Randall, the team could have easily had multiple Super Bowl appearances. We saw what Cunningham was able to do with competent offensive management in Minnesota, but by then his scrambling days were long gone. Just imagine what he could have done in Philadelphia when he still had his legs. Buddy Ryan screwed us all out of watching something truly special.
Ha, right. Because Cunningham was such a great passer. It wasn't just Randy Moss and Cris Carter being unstoppable...so unstoppable that any QB would've had big numbers on the 98 Vikings.

Nah, Cunningham launching it up for Moss in 98 proves he would've been a star in Philadelphia if not for that asshole Buddy Ryan cramping his style. Black, athletic quarterbackzzzz!

Poor Michael Vick. If only he'd been given Randy Moss, Cris Carter, and Robert Smith...he might've had a good year passing one time.
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Here's the what if thread scenario for the Bucs:

In 2005: What if Jon Gruden took Aaron Rodgers over Caddilac Williams? Rodgers was heaviliy courted by Gruden. Tampa wouldn't be in the mess we have now.

in 2007: Detroit wanted the Bucs 4th overall pick, and both 2nd rounders for the 2nd pick overall to get Calvin Johnson.
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If the Vikings didn't come back to beat the Giants in the 1997 WC Game, Dennis Green was going to be fired.

If he is, does the successor (possibly Brian Billick) still draft Moss, and if he doesn't, who does?

What if he falls to Denver with the 32nd pick?
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WHAT IF in 1999, Mike Jones doesn't tackle Kevin Dyson 1 yard short?

WHAT IF Trent Green doesn't get hurt, and Kurt Warner doesn't get to play? Do the Rams have the same success?
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here's a very recent one.

What if either of these situations went Philly's way?

To those that didn't click, Philly decided not to trade a 2nd rounder to SF for Kaepernick because they wanted to use their 3rd round pick on Russell Wilson, whom Seattle took before them.
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Sterling Sharpe - I think he'd still be 2nd all-time in receptions and receiving yards with a bust in Canton.
On that same Packer fan podcast that I talked about earlier, they said something interesting in their 3-19-15 episode.

One of the people doing the show said that, allegedly, Ron Wolf and Sterling Sharpe were having a falling out at the end of the 1994 season that could have been the end of Sterling as a Packer.

If he stayed healthy, what if he would have been included in the Mark Brunell to Jacksonville trade? What kind of a haul could Green Bay have gotten back from the expansion Jags in return?
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Well, since this one's been brought back from the dead...

What if Chad Pennington had never had his series of strength-sapping arm injuries? I think that's a franchise QB.

What if Josh McDaniels went to Denver and tailored his system to the offensive talent on the roster instead of just getting rid of everyone? He might still work there in that scenario.

What if the Bears, famous killers of QB careers, draft Aaron Rodgers in 2005? He might have been out of the league by 2009.
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What if Josh McDaniels went to Denver and tailored his system to the offensive talent on the roster instead of just getting rid of everyone? He might still work there in that scenario.
Building your offensive around Jay Cutler has never worked. I think history is also with McDaniels on the idea of introducing Brandon Marshall to a rebuilding team. McDaniels made some whacky moves, but it probably could have worked out if he had someone else handling personnel. I thought he would have been a great hire in Atlanta.

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The bizarre situation where drafting a bust in the first round is actually the more desirable possibility.
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What if Ray Lewis doesn't deflect 2 gimme interceptions for Ed Reed in the 2006 playoffs? The Ravens probably win that game and Manning ends up w/ 0 rings. Ed Reed finishes that game with 4 INTs and 1 or 2 TDs against Manning and the greatest performance in post season history. I still consider that the worst playoff lost in Ravens history, worse then the Cundiff game. Ray Lewis literally was too good for his own good.
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On that same Packer fan podcast that I talked about earlier, they said something interesting in their 3-19-15 episode.

One of the people doing the show said that, allegedly, Ron Wolf and Sterling Sharpe were having a falling out at the end of the 1994 season that could have been the end of Sterling as a Packer.

If he stayed healthy, what if he would have been included in the Mark Brunell to Jacksonville trade? What kind of a haul could Green Bay have gotten back from the expansion Jags in return?
Sharpe decided to hold out for a new contract the day before the regular season opener:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,2081298&hl=en

The Packers immediately caved, but I'd imagine that didn't do much to endear him to Wolf.
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What if the Browns had drafted Roethlisberger instead of Winslow.
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What if the Jets take Emmitt Smith #2 in the 1990 Draft over Blair Thomas and Thomas ends up falling to Dallas where they originally took Smith.
I think that the Jets should have drafted Cortez Kennedy #2 overall because they didn't have any size inside in their running defense, and they had solid backs in Freeman McNeil and Johnny Hector.

If the Jets took Smith that year, though, I don't think that Blair Thomas falls past Seattle at #3 overall. They had just lost Curt Warner to the Rams, and they didn't have Chris Warren yet.

Then, the Cowboys probably settle for Rodney Hampton or Steve Broussard if Jimmy is still unable to get his pass rusher.
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What if the Lions drafted Quentin Jammer, Terrell Suggs,Roethlisberger and Demarcus Ware instead of Harrington,Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams? Yeesh....
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What if Ray Lewis doesn't deflect 2 gimme interceptions for Ed Reed in the 2006 playoffs? The Ravens probably win that game and Manning ends up w/ 0 rings. Ed Reed finishes that game with 4 INTs and 1 or 2 TDs against Manning and the greatest performance in post season history. I still consider that the worst playoff lost in Ravens history, worse then the Cundiff game. Ray Lewis literally was too good for his own good.
Those 2 McNair picks near the goal line were probably what cost the Ravens more than anything.
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My mind has literally deleted those plays out of my memory. I know he did it I don't remember him doing it though. Seriously such a crushing loss I have never seen a stadium so intense before a game, and so deflated afterwords. It literally felt like you waited until the last play of pre season game 4 and you were the only one leaving . The fact that it was the Colts was insult to injury any fan over 35.
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My mind has literally deleted those plays out of my memory. I know he did it I don't remember him doing it though. Seriously such a crushing loss I have never seen a stadium so intense before a game, and so deflated afterwords. It literally felt like you waited until the last play of pre season game 4 and you were the only one leaving . The fact that it was the Colts was insult to injury any fan over 35.
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Two "what if" scenarios from the 1996 draft:

1. If Simeon Rice didn't do a late charge into the top-3, the Cardinals would have taken Jonathan Ogden (they should have, anyway), leaving the Ravens to take Lawrence Phillips (rated right after Ogden on the board).

It would have been interesting to see how Lawrence and Ray Lewis would have gotten along.

Also, with the fifth overall pick, the Giants probably take Rice instead of Cedric Jones, and that would have created a formidable pass rush duo with him and Strahan.

It's possible that Simeon Rice may have influenced who would have won the SB four years later.

2. As part of the agreement earlier that year to bring the Browns back in 99, what if any picks that the Brown-Raven organization traded for as the Browns were held for them until 99, and the Ravens were defaulted to 10th overall in each round in 96?

In 1999, the Browns would have had two first-round picks, two second-round picks, two third-round picks, two fourth-rounders, three fifth-rounders, three sixth-rounders, and four seventh-rounders. With that ammunition, maybe they are the ones making the Ricky Williams trade.
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I made a promise to myself after seeing a super bowl 35 and taking it for granted then seeing the craziest SB run ever w/ SB 47 I won't ***** anymore after losses. That one will sting though.
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My mind has literally deleted those plays out of my memory. I know he did it I don't remember him doing it though. Seriously such a crushing loss I have never seen a stadium so intense before a game, and so deflated afterwords. It literally felt like you waited until the last play of pre season game 4 and you were the only one leaving . The fact that it was the Colts was insult to injury any fan over 35.
Shame. That was the best Ravens team I've seen other than the 2000 squad. I wanted them to advance. I don't think the Patriots or Bears would have been a problem.
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Im trying to think of good Saints ones, but right now all I can imagine is what if the Saints didnt recover the onside kick, and the Colts won. Would they have (basically) kicked Peyton out still?
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Im trying to think of good Saints ones, but right now all I can imagine is what if the Saints didnt recover the onside kick, and the Colts won. Would they have (basically) kicked Peyton out still?
My guess is that they would have. They were uncertain about Peyton's neck, and they had a chance to start over with a young QB. They had to take it.

I have a good one, though: What if the Saints drafted Lawrence Taylor #1 overall in 1981?
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My guess is that they would have. They were uncertain about Peyton's neck, and they had a chance to start over with a young QB. They had to take it.

I have a good one, though: What if the Saints drafted Lawrence Taylor #1 overall in 1981?
The Giants would have drafted Reggie White in 1984.

What if football players had to play offense and defense.
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What if football players had to play offense and defense.
The average 40 time goes up as guys with bodies able to take punishment on both sides of the ball are prioritized. Shaq Thompson goes #1 overall. QBs would all be kickers or punters if there's no rule against it. Fake TEs who are really just slower receivers sell concessions instead of making millions. JJ Watt and Richard Sherman get 1000 yards receiving in a season. Playbooks would be much simpler. Teams would run more. Fullbacks (who are also linebackers) would be drafted in the first three rounds again. Careers would be even shorter than they are now. In the college game, smaller schools would be more competitive. Good position coaches would make more money.

Iron man football at a college & pro level would be so awesome.

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