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Old 08-21-2013, 10:52 AM    (permalink
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This is a thought that came to me randomly the other day. Can a guy who was a late first round pick be considered a bust if he never becomes a full time starter but came up big multiple times in the playoffs when your team wins the superbowl. I say this because Jimmy Smith who was the 28th overall pick is entering his 3rd year is looking like he wont start and has been a disappointment last season and this season. But he came through real big in the super bowl being the only CB who didn't allow a catch and broke 2 passes up on that last goal line stand. Obviously a first round pick who never establishes himself as a quality starter would traditionally be called a bust but he was brought in because our front office thought he would make us a step closer to winning the super bowl and he definitely played a role.
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I dont think hes even close to being what they thought he would be, that being said "bust" might be a little harsh. Ty Hill was a bust
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I dont think hes even close to being what they thought he would be, that being said "bust" might be a little harsh. Ty Hill was a bust
Yeah when we drafted him he was hyped up as the next Chris McCalister now people are calling for his head. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I read a report from a former scout who saw the tape of the last pre season game and said it was Huff screwing stuff up that made Jimmy look terrible.
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You can get used to that lol
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He was the 27th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. It seems to me that fans often have inflated opinions about what to expect from a late first rounder. Many of them never become stars or even quality starters. Maybe he's a disappointment, but if he's contributing, he's not a bust.
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This is similar to the Reggie Bush debate.

The first argument is that you draft players to fulfill a role in hopes to win the Super Bowl.

The counter is then that they still should have taken X, Y, Z that went after that player because X, Y, Z would have been better and the team might STILL have won the Super Bowl and possibly had more success.

The flaw in that counter argument is that you are dealing with pure hypotheticals - you don't know who would have been better or how anything would have played out.

Especially when the 'bust' made huge plays in the Super Bowl to help you secure it.

I'd trade a first-round pick for one Super Bowl win any day. Taking a better player doesn't ensure he would have led to multiple SBs or more success.
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Id say its way too early to call him a bust. He hasnt gotten a starting opportunity yet, and he hasnt been terrible as a backup. Sure, the ravens expected to see more out of him by now, but hes still young and could turn the corner at any point.
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Fans regularly whine about any CB who isn't Darelle Revis or Deion Sanders. There seems to be this belief that any starting CB who doesn't shut down WRs every week is terrible.
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Its still also kinda early....Keenan Lewis was terrible for 3 years and then just got it in year 4

Colorado isnt exactly a pro factory. But when i think CB busts i think of Ty Hill, Alphonso Smith, even someone like Leodis Mckelvin.

I think Jimmy Smith has a hcnace to be a middle of the pack CB like some other first round guys like Vontae Davis, Jonathan Joseph, DRC..and really many many more, but none are really "busts"
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Kind of reminds me of the Giants situation with Aaron Ross. Drafted late in the first round and eventually started but he was never much better than an average CB. In both our playoff runs he was much better though but not as good as Smith was last year.

I'd say no to being called a bust.
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Joseph is/was not close to a bust. Imo
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Never said he was, but he was a first round pick that didnt just become a top 3 CB, hes right in the middle and a good player, thats how i think Smith will end up being
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Not really a bust. For a late first rounder to be a bust in my eyes he would already have to be off the team ala AJ Jenkins. Jimmy Smith has been a bit of a disappointment but he is still really young and has the tools to succeed. Lets see how his 3rd year goes.

He was clearly looking for safety help on those Julio Jones catches.
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Better than the others you mentioned. Drc was about a bust imo.
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I wonder if BBD still thinks he'll be the best corner in the NFL like he said he would two years ago.
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McKelvin is a bust.

He can't even lock down our #2 job still.
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Its still also kinda early....Keenan Lewis was terrible for 3 years and then just got it in year 4

Colorado isnt exactly a pro factory. But when i think CB busts i think of Ty Hill, Alphonso Smith, even someone like Leodis Mckelvin.

I think Jimmy Smith has a hcnace to be a middle of the pack CB like some other first round guys like Vontae Davis, Jonathan Joseph, DRC..and really many many more, but none are really "busts"
did you really call joseph a middle of the pack corner? Vonta is middle of the pack, DRC looked great at first but now sucks ass (maybe he turns it around), but Joseph has consistently been one of the better corner in the league. There arent too many teams he wouldnt be a #1 corner for.
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did you really call joseph a middle of the pack corner? Vonta is middle of the pack, DRC looked great at first but now sucks ass (maybe he turns it around), but Joseph has consistently been one of the better corner in the league. There arent too many teams he wouldnt be a #1 corner for.
This falls in line with my opinion
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did you really call joseph a middle of the pack corner? Vonta is middle of the pack, DRC looked great at first but now sucks ass (maybe he turns it around), but Joseph has consistently been one of the better corner in the league. There arent too many teams he wouldnt be a #1 corner for.
Yeah, I did a spit take on seeing him list Joseph. Johnathan Joseph is the player you want your first round CB to be.
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Joesph is maybe a top five corner in the NFL. He's better than a middle of the pack type player.
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Way to miss the point entirely everyone.

We were talking about a first round player not being a darrelle revis type player....this is like revis, nnamdi (raiders), woodson, bailey and is rare company

Just because he would be a #1 corner on over half of the teams doesnt mean he falls in line with that category, even if hes top 5 right now he hasnt always been. The dropoff from the best corner to the 10th best corner is enormous, the drop off from the 10th best corner to the 20th best corner is minimal imo. Im really not arguing about the cailber of player joseph is im just saying i think you can list 10 first round Cbs that all are pretty interchangeable as far as where you rank them (maybe not anymore with woodson, bailey being old and revis being injured and nnamdi sucking)

Even if joseph is better than guys like cro, davis, pacman, L. Hall, D. Hall, Jackson, Jenkins and Rolle (both FS converts) hes not in the upper tier of CBs, and somewhere around these guys is where i think Jimmy Smith can fall in line.

My whole point is Jimmy Smith is not ty hill, antoine cason, kyle wilson, patrick robinson....just to name a few **** heads
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