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View Poll Results: Who will have the greater career?
RG3 6 5.41%
Wilson 12 10.81%
Kaepernick 16 14.41%
Luck 77 69.37%
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:12 AM    (permalink
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Remember when we had a young guns thread, and mentioned 5 guys who weren't Cam Newton? Yeah that was dumb.

The fact that his team is on the verge of competing for a playoff spot so soon after the Hurney era ended with Ron Rivera as it's current head coach is pretty astonishing. I just wish they would have some cap flexibility before 2017 so they could actually build around Newton, Kuechly, Hardy, and Lotulelei's rookie contracts.
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Remember when we had a young guns thread, and mentioned 5 guys who weren't Cam Newton? Yeah that was dumb.

The fact that his team is on the verge of competing for a playoff spot so soon after the Hurney era ended with Ron Rivera as it's current head coach is pretty astonishing. I just wish they would have some cap flexibility before 2017 so they could actually build around Newton, Kuechly, Hardy, and Lotulelei's rookie contracts.
These 4 here all began their starting careers last year. That's why this new thread....

Cam's had a full extra season on them.

Yeah as of right now, Cam is looking certainly like he belongs, although I think almost everyone would take Luck now, if not Luck, probably Wilson.

Newton, Kaepernick, and RG3 would be a tier behind.
RG3 simply because he's more fragile... a thinner version of Newton.
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I like Wilson's game, but I think if you were building a team, CK/RG3/Newton would be the choice before Wilson.
Also those guys aren't a 'tier' behind Luck and Wilson. There really can't be a tier to separate these guys after less than a season and a half of pro football.
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Has Russell Wilson gained any ground here?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...aluable-player

Remember the reason why Cam wasn't on this was because he had a full year+ experience already before these 4.

SuperMod, can I do a new one that has all 4 of these guys plus Nicky Foles and Cam Newton, EJ Manuel?

Gabbert and Ponder just miss the cut.
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NFL MVP forecast: Peyton Manning leads Russell Wilson

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Is there anything the piping-hot Wilson can't do? He's not asked to carry the offense like Manning does, but he's led his team to the NFL's best record -- without Percy Harvin -- while playing behind an injury-ravaged offensive line. With four games to go, Wilson (48) has a chance to leapfrog Manning (52) for the second-most touchdown passes over the first two seasons of his career. Gregg Rosenthal outlined Wilson's impressive two-month stretch in this week's Quarterback Index.
I thought this guy was too short?
Couldn't see over the LOS.....
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Wilson OVER Manning ....
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Let's not get carried away here.
At this point in time Manning is the MVP but it's not crazy to think Wilson is gaining on him. Manning has cupcakes left on his schedule but quietly Tennessee has a decent pass defense. If he has an average game and Wilson lights it up and beats SF then I think he is definitely in the conversation and you could make a legitimate argument for him over Manning.

Not to mention that Seattle has 3 division games left and 3 games against teams with at least slight playoff hopes. After this week Denver plays SD, Houston and Oakland. If Manning blows up against those teams it will be like, "who cares, look at the opposition".

To be clear, I do think Manning will win it because I think in at least one of Seattle's remaining games Marshawn Lynch will be the vocal point of the attack, but it is not a ridiculous statement to think Wilson can win it
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I think Peyton's going to break a couple of all-time marks and the Broncos will enter the playoffs as the number one seed in the AFC. And the media is probably going to really enjoy making him the only 5-time MVP, because that's insane and no one is ever going to touch that. And frankly, I'm totally ok with that. Peyton's one of the most iconic players ever. No reason to give it to Russell Wilson just to avoid giving it to a player who looks like a really obvious choice. Peyton is the really obvious choice. Russell will have some hardware when it's all said and done. He'll make the Pro Bowl again and people will talk about how he'd have been the MVP if Peyton hadn't had such a historic season just like they did last year with the Rookie of the Year race. He's just going to keep getting more recognition the longer his career gets, and he'll probably win one eventually barring a catastrophic injury. He's already breaking some of Peyton's passing records anyways. As a fan, I'm fine with Peyton riding off into the sunset while Russell quietly compiles touchdowns and wins at a faster rate than anyone ever has to start his career... while posing a threat to run we haven't seen since young Vick.

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while posing a threat to run we haven't seen since young Vick.
Wouldn't go that far. We've already seen what Kaepernick and Pryor can do when they get out in open space as well. I still don't think we've seen anyone that can match a young Vick. His speed and ability to move his hips with that low center of gravity was unreal.
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Wouldn't go that far. We've already seen what Kaepernick and Pryor can do when they get out in open space as well. I still don't think we've seen anyone that can match a young Vick. His speed and ability to move his hips with that low center of gravity was unreal.
I did say since Vick (Vick is still the standard, of course), and I'm not talking about straight-line speed. Pryor and Kaepernick are more that racehorse type who can take it the distance if they get loose, but Russell's got that ability to just sort of squirt out of the pocket and make defenders grab air while making it look effortless. That's what I'm talking about. He certainly doesn't have Vick's long speed, but the hips and low center of gravity is definitely reminiscent. Russell's not going to be breaking many 50-yard runs, but by "threat to run" I'm talking about how difficult he is to contain and his ability to pick up first downs (and more) with his legs.

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Cam's overall game running with the football is the best IMO, (except maybe Prior, but he can't throw). He's the most effective as a designed runner, since his size makes him the most effective in short yardage situations, and his speed in the open field is superior to a Wilson, who I think is more of an acceleration/agility guy vs. a pure speed guy (evidenced by shorter runs so far in his career).
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Remember the reason why Cam wasn't on this was because he had a full year+ experience already before these 4..
The reason Cam isn't on here is because you didn't think he was good enough at the time the thread was created. You said so yourself earlier in the thread. Regardless that rationale doesn't make any sense because Cam has been in the league the same amount of time as Kaepernick, and is actually a year and a half younger than him.

I have no problem with you making a mistake, or having a difference in opinion, but at least own it when it happens.
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Cam's overall game running with the football is the best IMO, (except maybe Prior, but he can't throw). He's the most effective as a designed runner, since his size makes him the most effective in short yardage situations, and his speed in the open field is superior to a Wilson, who I think is more of an acceleration/agility guy vs. a pure speed guy (evidenced by shorter runs so far in his career).
I also think an underrated part of Cam's game is his ability to avoid tackles. While he isn't a guy with the type of agility that someone like RG3 has he has that Big Ben type build that means he needs to be properly wrapped up to get him to the ground.

That is a massive advantage for a running QB. If someone gets a hit on RG3 or Kaepernick they will likely go down if they haven't gone out of bounds or slid. But you can't arm tackle Cam. He is just too big and he can run away from most defenders in the open field.
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The reason Cam isn't on here is because you didn't think he was good enough at the time the thread was created. You said so yourself earlier in the thread. Regardless that rationale doesn't make any sense because Cam has been in the league the same amount of time as Kaepernick, and is actually a year and a half younger than him.

I have no problem with you making a mistake, or having a difference in opinion, but at least own it when it happens.
Last year, we had 4 first-time starting QB's doing unprecedented stuff.
That excitement and great stuff is what got me to do the thread.

Newton was not one of these 4 first-time QBs.

He had regressed. Remember, his rookie season, his first 2 games were the games he went wild in, over 400 yards passing each game.

After that, not so much.

So yes, Cam has done a lot better than I expected. I was wrong about him, thinking he was below average. Admitted.

But that is not the reason why he wasn't one of the 4 guys in this poll.

As I said, I'd like to create a new one with all the young guns eligible, who realistically have a case.

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I think Peyton's going to break a couple of all-time RECORDS and the Broncos will enter the playoffs as the number one seed in the AFC.
Peyton is the really obvious choice.

As a fan, I'm fine with Peyton riding off into the sunset .....
Peyton is on pace to break a lot of great records, this season. He is the overwhelming, unanimous choice.

Off into the sunset?

Peyton is far from done.
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Thought about it.
But couldn't justify it and couldn't imagine anyone taking Newton over all 4 of those guys.
Come again?

There is nothing wrong about having a different opinion. You may eventually end up being completely justified in saying that. Also, yes that would have been a reasonable rationale for excluding him if you wanted to uniquely focus on QB's that started starting in 2012.

However, don't say one thing when it takes a singular click to show that it's not true. Stop trying to backtrack just to save face, we already all know that your analysis of QB play is horrible and entirely based on QB rating.

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What are "outsider" opinions on Luck right now? For the second year in a row he has started the season strong, but appears to be fading toward the end of the season. I have my own opinions on this of course but am curious what non-Colts fans think.
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Come again?

There is nothing wrong about having a different opinion. You may eventually end up being completely justified in saying that. Also, yes that would have been a reasonable rationale for excluding him if you wanted to uniquely focus on QB's that started starting in 2012.

However, don't say one thing when it takes a singular click to show that it's not true. Stop trying to backtrack just to save face, we already all know that your analysis of QB play is horrible and entirely based on QB rating.
Don't forget Super Bowl rings.

Also, I still don't think Newton will ever win a Super Bowl, but could be wrong.
Remember this year, NBC Football Night in America, Rodney Harrison (who has played the game, unlike you or I, thought Cam should be benched)... he was wrong. So was I. So what.

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The 2012 season is going terribly for Cam, though, and for the Panthers, who just fired their longtime GM Marty Hurney.

Newton's stats are down from his rookie season, but the most troubling thing is how he seems to be handling adversity. In a word, he's handling it terribly, and it's really raising a lot of questions about his mental makeup.

To wit, here's what he had to say following Carolina's 19-14 loss to Dallas yesterday:


I’m going to leave this (media) room and I’m going to bring in a suggestion box and I want your suggestions to be in that suggestion box because I sure don’t know. I really don’t. I wish I could tell you. But the only thing I control, sweetheart, is myself. Offensively, I am the leader of this bunch and we haven’t been getting the job done.

Everybody probably remembers Nolan Nawrocki's controversial scouting report on Newton, and that he got slammed for it at the time. It was easy to slam - especially since Nawrocki himself had never met the player - and it seemed like it could definitely be code saying "Yeah, he's talented, but did you notice that he's black?" (On the other hand, Nawrocki has no reputation for demonstrable racial bias in his scouting, and nobody really stuck up for him very well on that score.)

You have to start considering whether Nawrocki may have been correct in what he wrote about Newton's issues with maturity, accountability, and relationship with his team. Newton basically threw his whole team and organization under the bus yesterday, and it's becoming weekly must-see TV. I'm very familiar with the University of Florida program, and I know that even before Newton got caught with the stolen laptop, and got booted off the team, the coaching staff had soured on him, and promoted the clearly less-talented John Brantley ahead of him.

Immature players can mature and improve themselves, and as I'm fond of saying, the NFL is a dynamic system, where many, many people are passing each other on the way to getting better or worse. Newton is going to have to improve his play on the field, and also his mental approach to things off the field, because he's starting to show some Jeff George qualities, minus the mullet.
Anyway, enough about me and Newton.
I didn't like him. I like him more now.
But I still don't like him.
I like RG3 more, but I'd take Newton before him now because of durability issues.
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My opinion of Andrew Luck at this particular moment can be summarized with the quote from the great Robert Loggia:
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In five years who will be the top 10 QBs in the NFL??

In no particular order; Newton/Wilson/Winston/Stafford/Luck/RG3/Foles/Bridgewater/Kaepernick/Rodgers.

Foles, Eli and Ryan should be in there somewhere too.
I think Roethlisberger's body will be shot in 5 years. Will Brady still be ballin' in 5 years?? No idea.

I guess I'm saying I think Winston and Bridgewater are gonna be the truth when they get to the league.
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5 years is a long time. Carson Palmer was the 3rd best QB at one point and he fell off completely.

BRoth and Brady will be done by then for sure
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I'm starting to change my status on whos is better between Luck and Wilson. I'm convinced Wilson might be the best young QB in the NFL with more upside. Stronger Arm than luck, more mobile but is a very good and accurate pocket passer. Stud. Not taking anything away from Luck because he is missing his top WR and Trent has been a flop. It's close, but I'm leaning towards Wilson.
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