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Old 09-23-2013, 11:58 AM    (permalink
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That's cute. I'm gonna laugh when your team Cover 2's it's way into getting pasted in the playoffs. Bear fans always get cute when their team isn't painfully mediocre.
I wasn't trying to be cute. The two Giants teams that won the Superbowls are two of the worst Superbowl winning teams all-time.

10-6 and 9-7? With how many HOFs? One? Maybe two if Eli gets in? (cause he's a QB with a Superbowl, not cause he deserves it).

It's crazy to think that Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin have two Superbowl rings. This 0-3 start really drives that home.
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I wasn't trying to be cute. The two Giants teams that won the Superbowls are two of the worst Superbowl winning teams all-time.

10-6 and 9-7? With how many HOFs? One? Maybe two if Eli gets in? (cause he's a QB with a Superbowl, not cause he deserves it).

It's crazy to think that Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin have two Superbowl rings. This 0-3 start really drives that home.
Bc starting 0-3 this year has anything to do with those 2 years? There's no such thing as a lucky championship team. You're better than that, don't act like one of those butthurt fans that acts like his team deserved to win it that year.

You don't win 2 SBs by luck, accident, divine intervention or anything like that. Eli Manning had a ridiculous 2011 season. But show me the box numbers and tell me that I'm wrong.

You've always had terrible opinions on qb play.

And I readily acknowledge that we probably had 2 of the worst teams to ever win a SB, but at the same time, that's just how the NFL is now. Records in the regular season don't mean **** anymore. Look at all the recent SB winners, most of them had mediocre records.
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Bc starting 0-3 this year has anything to do with those 2 years? There's no such thing as a lucky championship team. You're better than that, don't act like one of those butthurt fans that acts like his team deserved to win it that year.

You don't win 2 SBs by luck, accident, divine intervention or anything like that. Eli Manning had a ridiculous 2011 season. But show me the box numbers and tell me that I'm wrong.

You've always had terrible opinions on qb play.

And I readily acknowledge that we probably had 2 of the worst teams to ever win a SB, but at the same time, that's just how the NFL is now. Records in the regular season don't mean **** anymore. Look at all the recent SB winners, most of them had mediocre records.
You have such an east coast bias.
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Oh course you win Superbowls by luck. Luck and chance are a HUGE part of sports, especially when many teams are so evenly matched that the break of a ball can decide the game.

That David Tyree catch wasn't luck? The Giants weren't lucky that Ted Ginn was injured in 2011 and his replacement fumbled two punts in a 3-point game?

It's also, if not luck, certainly divine intervention that a team could get so ridiculously hot in the postseason twice, and never win a playoff game in any other year. Think about that. Outside of 2007 and 2011, Eli has never won another playoff game but he went 8-0 in those two years. If that's not luck, it's some other freaky happenstance that is being self-corrected now. It's relevant because on face value it's odd to see the Giants this bad, but if you think about it, it's really not, because the Giants have been mostly average to above-average for the last 8 years, which is hard to sustain forever.

Although it is more than a little ironic that you've been predicted this exact collapse for the Bears for a few years now.
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Oh course you win Superbowls by luck. Luck and chance are a HUGE part of sports, especially when many teams are so evenly matched that the break of a ball can decide the game.

That David Tyree catch wasn't luck? The Giants weren't lucky that Ted Ginn was injured in 2011 and his replacement fumbled two punts in a 3-point game?

It's also, if not luck, certainly divine intervention that a team could get so ridiculously hot in the postseason twice, and never win a playoff game in any other year. Think about that. Outside of 2007 and 2011, Eli has never won another playoff game but he went 8-0 in those two years. If that's not luck, it's some other freaky happenstance that is being self-corrected now.
To be fair the only playoff game Eli has played other than the two SB years since breaking out was the one where our whole passing game fell apart because plax shot himself. So it's not really surprising that Eli's only post season wins since becoming this Eli were during those runs.
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The Giants are bad even by 0-3 standards. It's like God noticed that somehow Eli Manning won two Superbowls and self-corrected by taking all of that miraculous luck he had and flipping it completely.
Hey man, it's ok, the bears have a QB for the first time in living memory, you might even lose in the SB again!
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To be fair the only playoff game Eli has played other than the two SB years since breaking out was the one where our whole passing game fell apart because plax shot himself. So it's not really surprising that Eli's only post season wins since becoming this Eli were during those runs.
That's fine, but a resurgent Eli couldn't even get the Giants back to the playoffs the year after they won the Superbowl in 2011. Some of that is the mediocrity and parity of the NFL today, but it also says something about the real quality of that 2011 Superbowl team.
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Oh course you win Superbowls by luck. Luck and chance are a HUGE part of sports, especially when many teams are so evenly matched that the break of a ball can decide the game.

That David Tyree catch wasn't luck? The Giants weren't lucky that Ted Ginn was injured in 2011 and his replacement fumbled two punts in a 3-point game?

It's also, if not luck, certainly divine intervention that a team could get so ridiculously hot in the postseason twice, and never win a playoff game in any other year. Think about that. Outside of 2007 and 2011, Eli has never won another playoff game but he went 8-0 in those two years. If that's not luck, it's some other freaky happenstance that is being self-corrected now. It's relevant because on face value it's odd to see the Giants this bad, but if you think about it, it's really not, because the Giants have been mostly average to above-average for the last 8 years, which is hard to sustain forever.

Although it is more than a little ironic that you've been predicted this exact collapse for the Bears for a few years now.
Everything about this post is awful. "Luck" ignores every other play in the game. I can literally refer to any game in NFL history and point out any group of "lucky" plays for both teams and skew it towards this false premise that one team got "lucky" over the other.

And hey if you take Tom Brady's 3 SB years away he has almost the same playoff record as Peyton Manning! See I can say useless things that have no relevance too.

The Giants were a contending team for the past 8 years, and now it's naturally time for them to fall off a bit. No team is great forever, unless you have a top qb of all time like Brady and Peyton and you'll never hear any Giant fan compare Eli to either of those guys.

But to say "look the Giants always sucked bc they're playing bad now derp" is pretty idiotic and you know it.
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Hey man, it's ok, the bears have a QB for the first time in living memory, you might even lose in the SB again!
Hey we might! That has nothing to do with the subject, but if it makes you feel better about things, by all means.
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I'm with bearsfan here. In 2011 they were lucky to even make the playoffs. Cutler gets injured and the Bears implode. Marion Barber makes two ridiculously idiotic mistakes and the Bears lose to Denver. Cutler stays healty or Marion Barber is only half ******** and the Giants don't even make the playoffs. That is luck.
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I'm with bearsfan here. In 2011 they were lucky to even make the playoffs. Cutler gets injured and the Bears implode. Marion Barber makes two ridiculously idiotic mistakes and the Bears lose to Denver. Cutler stays healty or Marion Barber is only half ******** and the Giants don't even make the playoffs. That is luck.
You can do that with anything. If Matt Dodge could have punted a ball out of bounds like he was told instead of putting right down the middle of the field, the Packers don't make the playoffs that year and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have any Super Bowls.
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Everything about this post is awful. "Luck" ignores every other play in the game. I can literally refer to any game in NFL history and point out any group of "lucky" plays for both teams and skew it towards this false premise that one team got "lucky" over the other.
Really? Ok....in 1922 the Akron Pros beat the Oorang Indians 62-0. Go!


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It is. I didn't say that. You're the one being butthurt and overly emotional.
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You can do that with anything.
No, you really can't. You can do that with many things. It's highly abnormal that a team/QB with no other playoff wins has two Superbowl rings. In fact I'm damn sure it's never happened before, and I doubt it ever will again.
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Henry Melton torn ACL. That is why I have no problem with NFL players holding out to get paid. He just lost a **** ton of guaranteed money.
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Henry Melton torn ACL. That is why I have no problem with NFL players holding out to get paid. He just lost a **** ton of guaranteed money.
I'm not sure how much the Bears were offering. In retrospect, they'd have been lucky had he walked, considering they just paid him 9 mil to play 2 1/2 games.
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If not for the Tuck rule, Bellichick may have been fired and the Patriots dynasty doesn't exist.

If not for Matt Dodge, the Packers don't make the playoffs and Rodgers is ringless.

If not for Cutler, the Giants don't win the SB in 2011.

If not for Moore, the Ravens don't win the SB last year.

If not for PI on the last play, Kaepernick has a ring.

If not for Tyree, the Patriots have 4 rings.

If not for the Catch, the Cowboys may have 6 rings.

See? I can literally play the if game with just about any NFL season ever. It's beyond stupid.
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That's fine, but a resurgent Eli couldn't even get the Giants back to the playoffs the year after they won the Superbowl in 2011. Some of that is the mediocrity and parity of the NFL today, but it also says something about the real quality of that 2011 Superbowl team.
It wasn't a great team in the regular season either of those years, but Eli carried them to the playoffs where the rest of the team stepped up and rocked the playoffs a lot harder than a lot of "better" teams and SB champs. They dominated the falcons who rocked the regular season in 2011, they raped the defending champion backers, and beat up the 9ers. That's what an excellent team does and during that post season the rest of the team stepped up around Eli to make it an excellent team at that point. Them reverting to mediocre the next regular season with a banged up JPP doesn't change that.
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No, you really can't. You can do that with many things. It's highly abnormal that a team/QB with no other playoff wins has two Superbowl rings.
No other playoff wins other than the 8 he won to get those two Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers only has 1 win against a weak Minny playoff team other than the year he won the Super Bowl. That's nothing special if you "take away" his Super Bowl run.
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See? I can literally play the if game with just about any NFL season ever. It's beyond stupid.
You specifically selected 7 cases out of about 50,000 NFL games in history. So....no, you can't.

Again, 1922...Akron Pros vs. Oorang Indians, 62-0. You said you could do it with any game in NFL history, so go ahead hot shot.
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You can do that with anything. If Matt Dodge could have punted a ball out of bounds like he was told instead of putting right down the middle of the field, the Packers don't make the playoffs that year and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have any Super Bowls.
Seriously, if plax doesn't shoot himself we would've won back to back titles and be a modern day dynasty. If Tuck never stops giving a **** n being constantly injured we could have added a third since then. The giants have had plenty of bad luck to go with the good. Luck is certainly a factor but attributing everything to luck is lunacy.
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No other playoff wins other than the 8 he won to get those two Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers only has 1 win against a weak Minny playoff team other than the year he won the Super Bowl. That's nothing special if you "take away" his Super Bowl run.
You're comparing a guy with one Superbowl ring to a guy with two. And in your own example, Rodgers has won another playoff game, and has been a starting QB for four less seasons than Eli, meaning his sample size is considerably smaller.

So.....yeah.
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You specifically selected 7 cases out of about 50,000 NFL games in history. So....no, you can't.

Again, 1922...Akron Pros vs. Oorang Indians, 62-0. You said you could do it with any game in NFL history, so go ahead hot shot.
Seriously? This is what you're resorting to?

So I guess now every team who wins a SB must go 13-3, beat each team by 14 points or more in every game, and every qb has to carry a terrible defense, offense, and coaching staff and will everyone to victory himself for the SB to be relevant huh?

You're one of those guys?
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No, you really can't. You can do that with many things. It's highly abnormal that a team/QB with no other playoff wins has two Superbowl rings. In fact I'm damn sure it's never happened before, and I doubt it ever will again.
Eli is special, glad we could agree that there's no other players who can do what Eli's done.
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Luck is certainly a factor but attributing everything to luck is lunacy.
That's cool, I didn't do that.
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You're comparing a guy with one Superbowl ring to a guy with two. And in your own example, Rodgers has won another playoff game, and has been a starting QB for four less seasons than Eli, meaning his sample size is considerably smaller.

So.....yeah.
Since when does winning 2 rings hurt our argument for Eli? Am I in the twilight zone right now?

So now is better to win 1 ring and have a couple of one and done playoff appearances over winning 2 rings?

Do you not see how terrible your arguments are?
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