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Old 09-30-2013, 09:43 AM    (permalink
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The thing is, he runs hard. The wear and tear hasn't shown with how hard he's still running.

He just has terrible vision. He rather ram his body into someone than hit the open hole or cut back some times, and he lacks patience for the hole to create itself as well.

He's an expensive battering ram that gets you a tough 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
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Bad vision, no instincts, no patience, and worst of all he dances around instead of decisively hitting the hole. I don't know how the scouts/GMs were so wrong about a guy like this. RBs are usually pretty easy to evaluate and if they bust it's because of injuries or stuff like that.

I'm cautious though when the Browns make a good decision. Trade TRich for a 1st and then win two in a row with Brian Hoyer as the new QB. Have a chance to win the weaker than expected division too (knocks on wood).
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The thing is, he runs hard. The wear and tear hasn't shown with how hard he's still running.

He just has terrible vision. He rather ram his body into someone than hit the open hole or cut back some times, and he lacks patience for the hole to create itself as well.

He's an expensive battering ram that gets you a tough 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Field vision or lack thereof is another red flag for Alabama RBs given the scheme and OLs they have been in.
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Well one thing is for sure, the Browns new front office has made all the right moves so far. I know Browns fans hate Lombardi, but he's been lights out so far.

Every move he's made has been absolute money. Looks like he was on to something with Hoyer too.
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If our OC would call a run for him with the WRs spread out instead of the stupid I formation he would've had some better runs. The one time Richardson ran out of 3-wide he got 9 yards fairly easily. IMO he still has some questions to answer about his vision but he was not put in a position to succeed yesterday.
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The Colts had one of the worst redzone offenses in the league last year. Trent Richardson is a proven scorer. Finished 5th in the league in rushing TDs last season and has added 2 scores in 2 games since joining the Colts.

If he does that for the rest of his career then I won't give a damn what his ypc is.
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The Colts had one of the worst redzone offenses in the league last year. Trent Richardson is a proven scorer. Finished 5th in the league in rushing TDs last season and has added 2 scores in 2 games since joining the Colts.

If he does that for the rest of his career then I won't give a damn what his ypc is.
Well I do. A good goaline back is not worth a first round pick. I'm hoping he proves to be a pro bowler. That seems very far off though.
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Well I do. A good goaline back is not worth a first round pick. I'm hoping he proves to be a pro bowler. That seems very far off though.
I'm hoping that as well. However considering how bad the redzone offense for the Colts was last year adding a double digit a year scorer is a big upgrade.
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The Colts had one of the worst redzone offenses in the league last year. Trent Richardson is a proven scorer. Finished 5th in the league in rushing TDs last season and has added 2 scores in 2 games since joining the Colts.

If he does that for the rest of his career then I won't give a damn what his ypc is.
A goal-line back is not worth a 1st round pick. Scoring touchdowns from <5 yards out is not some special skill; any half-decent bruiser RB can do it with good blocking and enough attempts.

Indy got jobbed.
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When you think of the mileage Alabama RBs have from HS, through practices at Alabama, and finally the way they are used at Bama during games it is becoming clear they are too worn down for much if any NFL success.
Lol. 3 years of sharing carries at Alabama is not an excuse for Trent Richardson sucking. You're talking about practice? Practice? Trent just isn't very good. It's not just his vision either. I think people are overrating his physical abilities. He's strong but not very fast or elusive at all. I still have no idea how he got picked 3rd overall.
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Lol. 3 years of sharing carries at Alabama is not an excuse for Trent Richardson sucking. You're talking about practice? Practice? Trent just isn't very good. It's not just his vision either. I think people are overrating his physical abilities. He's strong but not very fast or elusive at all. I still have no idea how he got picked 3rd overall.
I think before the National Championship game he was a mid 1st round pick if I recall correctly.
Then suddenly he excels in that game, bumped his status up and for some reason people thought he had elite tools. He never had exceptional speed, or a bruiser to break tackles consistently, and also ran behind the best OL in college football.

I mean, the Browns botched that draft so much. You don't take a RB unless you have a QB IMO. And then to take Weeden in the 1st, lol.

Reminds me of Jaworski praising Weeden too. Man that guy always praises QB's.
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Lol. 3 years of sharing carries at Alabama is not an excuse for Trent Richardson sucking. You're talking about practice? Practice? Trent just isn't very good. It's not just his vision either. I think people are overrating his physical abilities. He's strong but not very fast or elusive at all. I still have no idea how he got picked 3rd overall.
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People need to relax on T-Rich. He's still a ferocious runner. Indy wouldn't have traded a #1 for an untalented runner. A low YPC isn't the end of the world, a low YPC doesn't mean you're not an effective running back.
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People need to relax on T-Rich. He's still a ferocious runner. Indy wouldn't have traded a #1 for an untalented runner. A low YPC isn't the end of the world, a low YPC doesn't mean you're not an effective running back.
Okay, let's point to all the great backs since the 90s with a 3.5 YPC average.
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And before you point to their YPCs being lower, IŽll assure that RichardsonŽs YPC doesnŽt stay at mid 3 for his career. It will likely be around 4YPC, ie the same as Curtis Martin, Warrick Dunn, and many others. And heŽll have the receiving yards and touchdowns to boot.
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of course they would have. nfl teams have made idiotic trades in the past, and they'll make a lot more in the future.
The Browns spent the third pick on him, there are definitely idiotic front offices out there haha.
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Okay, let's point to all the great backs since the 90s with a 3.5 YPC average.
The point is dont get caught up on numbers. The Colts are trying to install an offense that requires a grind it out, physical running back. The team just won at SF and handled business against JAX; Trent Richardson's YPC isn't the sinning variable in their offense. I'd bet it will come though. Ask the guys who are trying to tackle him if he's any good.
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People need to relax on T-Rich. He's still a ferocious runner. Indy wouldn't have traded a #1 for an untalented runner. A low YPC isn't the end of the world, a low YPC doesn't mean you're not an effective running back.
Hey, a team has traded a 1st round pick for Deion Branch before. That is meaningless.
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The point is dont get caught up on numbers. The Colts are trying to install an offense that requires a grind it out, physical running back. The team just won at SF and handled business against JAX; Trent Richardson's YPC isn't the sinning variable in their offense. I'd bet it will come though. Ask the guys who are trying to tackle him if he's any good.
Lolwut? Clearly guys don't have much problem tackling him...His longest run in the NFL is about 6 yards. The reason he can't get any further is because players can tackle him.

If you want a one-dimensional, tough running back you can get one...In the 6th round. You don't give up a 1st round pick for him. That's ridiculous.
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Okay, let's point to all the great backs since the 90s with a 3.5 YPC average.
3.5 was for a single season, and a rookie season on a bad team at that. It was one year. Instead of finding all the great players who had "3.5 years," because there are a lot, I'll just stick to players who were breaking into the league, like Richardson. The list of young players with unremarkable-to-low rushing averages looks like:

Marshawn Lynch: 4.0 yards per carry in his first year as a starter
Thomas Jones was between 3.3 and 3.7 his first three years in Arizona before getting a better team around him.
LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 3.6 yards per carry his rookie year.
Jerome Bettis yad 4.9 his rookie year, but 3.2 his second. How many people were calling him a one-year wonder at that point? Quite a few, I'm sure.
Emmitt Smith averaged 3.9 yards per carry his rookie year.

And Clinton Portis went from 5.5 in Denver to 3.8 in Washington - situation can obviously matter a lot, for better or worse.

Trent Richardson was on a very bad team. That's why he averaged 3.5 yards per carry. Pasting that on him as if it's an empirical assessment of both his value and his potential is dumb.
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Lolwut? Clearly guys don't have much problem tackling him...His longest run in the NFL is about 6 yards. The reason he can't get any further is because players can tackle him.

If you want a one-dimensional, tough running back you can get one...In the 6th round. You don't give up a 1st round pick for him. That's ridiculous.
Listen to what you're saying. Do you honestly believe he isn't a running back that breaks a lot of tackles? Because there is evidence out there on film that he is.

If anything, the evidence shows he isn't a very instinctive runner. I also think for certain running backs there is an adjustment to the speed of the game, and learning those suttle little moves in the hole don't come automatically for everyone.

There is precedent for this sort of trade. Watching this MNF game reminds me of Ricky Williams, who carried the Dolphins offense for a few years. He had some of the same struggles early on in New Orleans.

Would I do it? No, just because I'm not big on smash mouth, play action football. I'd rather see Luck in a more dynamic offense. But having Andrew Luck gives you the flexibility to take more risks. I want to see this offense with a healthy Allen and a couple of new interior linemen next year. Allen's a great run blocker. So I can see what they're trying to do long term.
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Trent Richardson at alabama wasn't as dominant or as good as Ricky Williams was in the NFL after his return. Don't even put the two in the same sentence, Ricky was absolutely amazing, like he was AD good.
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Trent Richardson at alabama wasn't as dominant or as good as Ricky Williams was in the NFL after his return. Don't even put the two in the same sentence, Ricky was absolutely amazing, like he was AD good.
He was talking about Ricky out of college, not Dolphins or post india ricky.
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