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The Bengals would be interesting...
Dalton is more consistently pretty good. He isn't top end great (yet?), but Freeman is too up and down for a talented team like that. They can win with Dalton and that talent.
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Anyone think the Freeman camp might have leaked the drug info? It immediately made him become the victim in the minds of many... and that response came out awfully quick and was very well thought out. Plus, I don't see why the Bucs would leak that kind of info about a guy they're trying to trade.

Ira Kaufman, from the Tampa Tribune, seems to think the same:

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@anthonytaylor_Yes, Freeman was benched. Yes, Freeman has been fined. Much of the rest has been skillfully manipulated by a crafty agent
I'm just glad he's gone.

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Thought crossed my mind too. Freeman seemed to have a pretty solid explanation that ensured it wouldn't hurt his prospects with another team. Looked like an attempt to make the Bucs look bad. I don't know how much of that is him and how much of that is his agent, but I would certainly lean towards saying he has some pretty serious attitude issues. Worst part is that he doesn't seem to think his **** stinks either.
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So apparently he was fined for missing team meetings, missing the team meal before the start of the regular season, and for arriving late to the bus.

So for those keeping score at home:

-He missed meetings
-He missed the team photo
-He missed his own camp for kids
-He was in the substance abuse program
-He missed the team meal
-He wasn't voted captain by his own teammates
-He came to the bus late
-He sucked


And we're supposed to feel sorry for the guy? I never heard of a franchise qb, the supposed leader of the team, ever having these kind of problems.

Freeman is a turd, and that is being ignored bc of how the media is portraying Tampa Bay and Greg Schiano in particular regarding this situation.

If my qb was like that I'd treat him like crap too. Good riddance.

They have been throwing Freeman under the bus all year. Schiano is the turd and needs to go back to college.
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They have been throwing Freeman under the bus all year. Schiano is the turd and needs to go back to college.
Freeman threw himself under the bus by being responsible for all of those violations.

Seriously, how can you defend Freeman? Look what he's done! And the worst part is how he's unapologetic for it. In fact, he looks for sympathy.

You seriously want that man leading your team? Schiano didn't do anything to Freeman.

Freeman did it all to himself.
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Think about it. When have you ever heard of a QB missing team meetings and being late for team meetings?

The quarterback?! This isn't a DT, or a diva WR, or a pass rusher. This is your quarterback.
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- late for meetings
No excuse. I'll say that another team captain on the Buc's admitted to being late to meetings (Davin Joseph), but we didn't hear that info leaked did we.

- team photo
The players had to be there before 7am on a holiday for the team photo, that is ridicoulous. We won't hear who else who was late for the photo though and you better believe there were others.

- Team Capatain Vote
Schiano had a improptu vote after one of the meetings Freeman was late to. Not to mention that whole theory that Schiano rigged the vote. He was the one who did the count.

- Substance abuse?
Come on, guy takes a medication he is prescribed and supplements it with basically the same type of medication one time and he has a drug problem? BS.

You never heard one bad thing as far as Freeman's character or work ethic until Schiano got there, actually it was quite the opposite. As far as him sucking, just look at Eli Manning right now. That system the Buc's and Giants run is not exactly working great right now is it. Freeman was a 62% passer before Schiano got here. I have no doubt if Freeman lands with a good offensive minded coach he will be back to a top ten QB.
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Please don't ever compare Freeman to Eli Manning ever again.

And you didn't hear about Freeman's issues for 2 reasons:

1. He plays in Tampa and no one in the national media cares about Tampa.
2. Raheem Morris was his HC. You know, his buddy from KState, the same guy who partied with his players? That guy.

And whether it's fair or not, Freeman is not held to the same standards as his teammates. He's the quarterback, he's supposed to be held to a higher standard so when he does something, yeah, it's a big deal.

Oh and btw after having the players only meeting the players confirmed that he did in fact not get voted as captain. Schiano didn't rig it.

Freeman was never a top 10 qb, and it's hilarious to ever say that he was.
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Freeman was never a top 10 qb, and it's hilarious to ever say that he was.
Freeman is and was a top 10 qb.

DID YOU THINK THAT WAS SO FUNNY?


YOU KNOW WHATS FUNNY. GOING TO 3-2 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OVER 10 YEARS AND BEING STUCK WITH BRANDON ******* WEEDEN THE REST OF THE YEAR.

THATS FUNNY.
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Please don't ever compare Freeman to Eli Manning ever again.

And you didn't hear about Freeman's issues for 2 reasons:

1. He plays in Tampa and no one in the national media cares about Tampa.
2. Raheem Morris was his HC. You know, his buddy from KState, the same guy who partied with his players? That guy.

And whether it's fair or not, Freeman is not held to the same standards as his teammates. He's the quarterback, he's supposed to be held to a higher standard so when he does something, yeah, it's a big deal.

Oh and btw after having the players only meeting the players confirmed that he did in fact not get voted as captain. Schiano didn't rig it.

Freeman was never a top 10 qb, and it's hilarious to ever say that he was.
Statistically Freeman has been. And you didn't hear about it because the Buc's don't share that information, hence the leaking of info. Freeman is just the start, the players will turn on Schiano because he is a liar and can't win games.
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Freeman is and was a top 10 qb.

DID YOU THINK THAT WAS SO FUNNY?


YOU KNOW WHATS FUNNY. GOING TO 3-2 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OVER 10 YEARS AND BEING STUCK WITH BRANDON ******* WEEDEN THE REST OF THE YEAR.

THATS FUNNY.
Tweet through it bruh. You'll be ok. Think about drafting a qb and it'll make you smile.
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I think its hard to trust information coming out of either side. Bucs worked real hard to try to get their money back. Freeman also hasn't been holding up his side of the deal either. His next team has some digging to do to find out how things actually went down.


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Tweet through it bruh. You'll be ok. Think about drafting a qb and it'll make you smile.
Browns are winning to much for a good QB pick unless they wanna package both their 1sts or something.
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I think its hard to trust information coming out of either side. Bucs worked real hard to try to get their money back. Freeman also hasn't been holding up his side of the deal either. His next team has some digging to do to find out how things actually went down.




Browns are winning to much for a good QB pick unless they wanna package both their 1sts or something.
I think they're going to have to. It will be worth it if they identify the right guy. They're a QB, WR, and RB away from being a legit contender.

Ben Tate, Maclin or Decker in FA, and then draft your qb and go BPA for the rest of the draft and this team can set themselves up pretty nicely.
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I don't anticipate it to get better either, but you had to give it a try. Josh Freeman is clearly not the future there. You're better off finding out now if Glennon has any hope, then knowing for sure in the offseason if you need to draft a qb instead of wondering if Glennon is your guy after the season is over.

Throw him in there, if he shows you something great, if he doesn't, big deal, you need a qb anyway.


Spot on, EXACTLY.
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Statistically Freeman has been.

Words that belong in the same sentence, for $1000, Alex.


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And you didn't hear about it because the Buc's don't share that information, hence the leaking of info. Freeman is just the start, the players will turn on Schiano because he is a liar and can't win games.
The only people who knew of Freeman in the NFL Drug Program, were the NFLPA, the NFL, Josh Freeman and his agent. Per the CBA, players in voluntary level 1 aren't subject to team notification. HOWEVER.... if a team is interested in acquiring a player, they can be supplied with information by the NFL on the player. Information like known arrest, drug, and medical history along with contract details (money matters) and the players standing with the league in regard to pending/potential suspensions.


I think, when Ian Rappaport's initial story about Freeman requesting a trade first hit, it was because the Bucs had already been quietly (or so they thought) shopping Freeman. I've not known One Buc to be leaky with any kind of info, and knowing those details.... I think some of the leaks came from other sources around the league.


And the only thing Schiano lied about, was that Josh Freeman was his QB.


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- late for meetings
No excuse. I'll say that another team captain on the Buc's admitted to being late to meetings (Davin Joseph), but we didn't hear that info leaked did we.
Unacceptable.


It's funny that the word meeting is pluralized. That in itself is indicative of the state of things with Freeman.

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The players had to be there before 7am on a holiday for the team photo, that is ridicoulous. We won't hear who else who was late for the photo though and you better believe there were others.
Is it ridiculous to schedule a game on Thanksgiving, only to have the team be late for the game because it was a holiday? You reveal your age and stupidity with this comment.

Unacceptable.


That is the team schedule. You are being paid by your employer to be punctual. If you want to remain in good standing with your employer, be punctual. Not much to ask. That applies to anyone's job.


And you better believe that Freeman's fellow coworkers couldn't have been too happy having to spend more of their time, apparently, on a holiday waiting for his lazy ass to roll into work.


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- Team Capatain Vote
Schiano had a improptu vote after one of the meetings Freeman was late to. Not to mention that whole theory that Schiano rigged the vote. He was the one who did the count.
You are gullible. The "theory" you are talking about, was the media's jumping to conclusions about the players' only meeting prior to the Jets' game. It was literally the first thought some pimple-faced kid at WDAE thought of, and they ran with it. Or it was Freeman's agent. The only part of that, that is true, was the meeting that took place.


Given the events that transpired, the general media's version doesn't fit.


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- Substance abuse?
Come on, guy takes a medication he is prescribed and supplements it with basically the same type of medication one time and he has a drug problem? BS.

Has it crossed anybody else's mind that the Bucs had two players (Aqib Talib and Eric Wright) get suspended last year for taking Adderall, the same drug Freeman has a prescription for, and apparently at around the same time that Freeman took another drug (Ritalin) for his ADHD..... they got popped by the NFL...... was he missing some Adderall pills and needed to find a replacement? Why would a guy have a prescription to treat a condition, have it ok'd by the league, then use another banned substance that he doesn't have ok'd to treat the same condition? It doesn't make sense..... unless I'm on to something. Just sayin'.
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Did Freeman have a history of this BEFORE Schiano arrived as HC?
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Anyone think the Freeman camp might have leaked the drug info? It immediately made him become the victim in the minds of many... and that response came out awfully quick and was very well thought out. Plus, I don't see why the Bucs would leak that kind of info about a guy they're trying to trade.

Ira Kaufman, from the Tampa Tribune, seems to think the same:



I'm just glad he's gone.



Thank you. I wish more people would think. When something like this happens, always..... ALWAYS..... look to see who benefits.

Ask yourselves.....

1 - Would it benefit the Buccaneers more, looking to trade a player, to release damaging information about the player, decreasing his trade value?

2 - Would it benefit the player more, who asked for an outright release instead of a trade or sitting on the bench, to get cut and collect over $6 million? And get to choose his next team?



It should be obvious. But not enough people, especially in Tampa, are asking themselves that question.
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Did Freeman have a history of this BEFORE Schiano arrived as HC?
Nope. Some former coaches and a former team mate have come out and said basically he was a hard worker and great team mate. Take that for what it's worth.
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Sometimes early in 2012, before any of this Freeman stuff started, I heard some comments some from of his former players just basically saying they didnt feel it was right the way he treated people, and that schiano is just a shady dude and what goes around will come around kinda stuff...then there was the thing with their kicker this year where he had some foot infection from team related activities and the team was trying to tell him they wouldnt treat him for it or something like that, and him and his wife both came out and blasted the team for it and he specifically blamed Schiano for it...and now all this stuff with Freeman...I dunno in my mind Schiano just isnt gonna make it in the NFL, he can get away with that stuff at Rutgers, but NFL players just arent gonna respond to it. Players on the team don't wanna come out and publicly blast him because they know what that will do to their public image and future job prospects, but I would bet there are a lot of players on that team that want to see him get fired. Before the season, I said I loved Tampa starting roster, but felt depth was lacking and that they had a terrible head coach, and that seems to be exactly the case. Get Schiano out and the Bucs can be a good team in 2014.
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Did Freeman have a history of this BEFORE Schiano arrived as HC?

Sucking? Yes.


And he didn't get ADHD last month. So, yes, again.
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People with ADHD are protected under the ADA. If any of these players ever have a legitimate case, they'll sue the NFL up and down the street.
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Nope. Some former coaches and a former team mate have come out and said basically he was a hard worker and great team mate. Take that for what it's worth.


But you won't be completely truthful, and say that at least two of those coaches (Olsen and Van Pelt; not sure if there are more former coaches to support him) are actively trying to lure him to their team right now.
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Thank you. I wish more people would think. When something like this happens, always..... ALWAYS..... look to see who benefits.

Ask yourselves.....

1 - Would it benefit the Buccaneers more, looking to trade a player, to release damaging information about the player, decreasing his trade value?

2 - Would it benefit the player more, who asked for an outright release instead of a trade or sitting on the bench, to get cut and collect over $6 million? And get to choose his next team?



It should be obvious. But not enough people, especially in Tampa, are asking themselves that question.

Ummm they tried for a week to trade him before it was leaked he was in phase one of the drug program. He was not tradable with that contract and after Freeman's interview with ESPN that Schiano did not authorize the smear campaign was on. Coincendence after Freemans interview with ESPN and his agent calling Schiano out on a lie that the info he was in the drug program got leaked? No way. Pretty simple to follow, Freeman is now damaged goods, no way he puts it out there that he has ADHD and is on medication.

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Nope. Some former coaches and a former team mate have come out and said basically he was a hard worker and great team mate. Take that for what it's worth.
That's what I mean true or not true, we can say this, he wasn't a mess or a problem guy before Schiano came. Now all of a sudden he has a whole list of issues? That's very sketchy. Like in 1 offseason he decided to re-invent himself and be a bad boy of the Bucs.

They should interview the former Bucs coach and see what he has to say.
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