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he should definitely play offense IMO. Clearly he's a guy who should have the ball in his hands as much as possible. That said, being a Packers fan, I'd rather have him running around in the secondary blowing coverages. :p
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It doesn't matter if he plays offense b/c Rex is stll the QB
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Hester is an athletic talent who can just fly. He never really had a position at any point in his life, though he called himself a CB. The guy is just an athlete. I don't think he can develop the technique and tackling to be a starting CB in any case. With his playmaking skills, he could be a decent nickel/dime CB, but he is also electric with the ball in his hands on special teams and such. Even if you use him as a decoy, he can help the offense.
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Devin hester is tough. He's an athelete with no position. He works at ST right now, but teams will definately look at tape and do a better job neutralizing him next year. So they need to figure out a way to maximize his production.

The measureables and big play ability are off the scale, but where does he fit?

He can be a Cover 2 CB. The responsibilities arent that hard, and he has the speed, but thats sort of wasting his big play abililities. Not to mention that Chicago likes doing more man coverage than your average Cover 2 team, that could be a failed experiment.

If you use him as WR, thats not a simple transition either. He has to learn how to drop his hips, catch the ball, take a hit in traffic and still hold on, get off the press etc.

This guy is extremely raw as a football player, and its tough to project him into a certain role. The best thing to do is throw a bunch of different assignments at him early in TC. See which assignment he seems most comfortable in, and train him in that.
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I would definitely stick him on offence. It would be easier for him to pickup the wide receiver position than cornerback. Just throw him slants, screens, and flies all game.
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I would definitely stick him on offence. It would be easier for him to pickup the wide receiver position than cornerback. Just throw him slants, screens, and flies all game.
If it were that easy, James Jett would likely be a Hall of Famer.
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If it were that easy, James Jett would likely be a Hall of Famer.
Not saying it would be easy but that's what they should do to start him out at the position. His speed and playmaking ability would allow him to run those routes and do a lot of damage after the catch.
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People won't kick the ball to him after the year he had ask Dante Hall.
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Har har har..so original. The Rex Grossman sucks stuff is getting overdone. He's not incompetent or untalented, he just makes poor decisions. Our offense was still in the top half of the league last year.


As for Hester moving, the ironic thing is that Lovie was adament about how he felt Miami had screwed up Devin by switching him around too much and having him play multiple positions, and that now appears to be what they are doing as well.
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That's cool. I'll take the ball on the 40 yard line any day of the week.
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Har har har..so original. The Rex Grossman sucks stuff is getting overdone. He's not incompetent or untalented, he just makes poor decisions. Our offense was still in the top half of the league last year.


As for Hester moving, the ironic thing is that Lovie was adament about how he felt Miami had screwed up Devin by switching him around too much and having him play multiple positions, and that now appears to be what they are doing as well.
Rex needs some Tom Coughlin in his life. Coughlin's all streak playbook would give Rex the biggest boner. Can we switch offensive playbooks?

I honestly think Rex would thrive in Air Coryell....
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Hester is an athletic talent who can just fly. He never really had a position at any point in his life, though he called himself a CB. The guy is just an athlete. I don't think he can develop the technique and tackling to be a starting CB in any case. With his playmaking skills, he could be a decent nickel/dime CB, but he is also electric with the ball in his hands on special teams and such. Even if you use him as a decoy, he can help the offense.
Exactely. I think he would be best served in packages with Bernard Berrian. The safties are going to have to neutralize one or the other, and both have speed to burn over the top (not to mention Grossman loves to throw those 40+ yard bombs).

Ron Turner recently said that a speedy Wide Reciever was at the top of his list as he felt Moose wasn't fast enough to burn teams that would sit a safety in double coverage on Berrian's deep routes. I don't think Hester is that guy, but it's likely worth a look.
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Rex needs some Tom Coughlin in his life. Coughlin's all streak playbook would give Rex the biggest boner. Can we switch offensive playbooks?

I honestly think Rex would thrive in Air Coryell....
That was the original offense we had for him in 2004 (see Terry Shea) but I think Lovie realized that said offense only works for teams that play in domes or warmer climates.
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That was the original offense we had for him in 2004 (see Terry Shea) but I think Lovie realized that said offense only works in teams that play in Domes or warmer climates.
Tell Lovie to send that memo to Coughlin....
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Hester can be good for 5-10 gadget plays a game. Maybe you line him up in the backfield, then have him run a fly. Maybe he takes an end-around. Either way, his big play ability opens things up. I don't think he's going to be a full time player, but he'll have a little gadget playbook for his abilities.
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I really think they should try to keep him at CB. He did very well there as a sophomore, had 5 ints in spot duty and CB and FS. He definitely needs some work, but if they let him work at one position I think it would really pay off. Having him play both offense and defense, as well as every special team, all while he was injured really hurt Hester at Miami. Leave him at CB, maybe even let him be a ball hawking FS, but I think he needs to be on defense. Maybe have some special plays for him on offense, but not a full time player.
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Hester can be good for 5-10 gadget plays a game. Maybe you line him up in the backfield, then have him run a fly. Maybe he takes an end-around. Either way, his big play ability opens things up. I don't think he's going to be a full time player, but he'll have a little gadget playbook for his abilities.
He's at best a slot receiver 2 years from now. He needs 2 years of training to be a good slot receiver.

Like you said, you can use him for gadget plays. But that will wear off rather quickly. Thats why Hall never really had success as a offensive WR. In all likelihood, he's probably Dante Hall Version 2.
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Whatever the kid offers outside of special teams is icing on the cake.

I wish the Giants had a force like him, people still underrate what a return man of his caliber can do for a team.
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I'm not so sure the novelty will wear off. In 2005-2006, it seemed like Randle-El would get a gadget play once a game, and no one was able to stop it. Of course, it was a WR pass play, but it could work. You could use Hester at the goal-line on outside runs. You could run him as a decoy on a short plunge (originated by Andy Reid in 2002-2003). You can throw him a quick WR screen in the slot. With some training, a Hester screen out of the backfield could be very dangerous. You need him to take a reverse every 2-3 weeks to keep the threat there, but it is doable.

I don't think Hester will become a weapon like Brian Westbrook, Tiki Barber, or Reggie Bush, but he can do some damage and stretch the D with his abilities.
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I wish the Giants had a force like him, people still underrate what a return man of his caliber can do for a team.
But unless you have all the pieces in place, I wouldn't spend a 2nd rounder on a special team ace.
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Hester going as a second rounder was shocking to me a year ago. I think he played well enough to justify his position, but the Bears may have reached in the long term. ST aces can be found everywhere in the draft. Hester could have easily busted. He has a lot of raw ability, but now he needs to become a player with a position. If he can't do that, a second rounder would be way too high.
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I think they would rather work him at CB to hae good depth rather than just save him for "trick" or "gadget" plays every once-and-awhile on offense. Maybe slip in a play for him on offense a few times a year, but if they want him to be something long-term they should keep him at CB.
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But unless you have all the pieces in place, I wouldn't spend a 2nd rounder on a special team ace.
Hester makes up for pieces that are not in place. He puts points on the board and gives an offense great field position whether he touches the ball or not.

A big part of the reason why I want Ginn.
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Hester makes up for pieces that are not in place. He puts points on the board and gives an offense great field position whether he touches the ball or not.

A big part of the reason why I want Ginn.
Its still risky that high in the draft. And theres not a Devin Hester every year in the draft either. It just happened to turn out that way this year. If Hester doesn't pan out at a skill position, 3 years from now he won't warrant his 2nd round selection. That wouldve been too high for a one year ace.

I like your idea of Yamon Figurs though. Thats a good day 2 option.
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