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Old 10-10-2013, 01:02 PM    (permalink
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So which defense has played the Broncos the best? Is there one that is even worth singling out? The Raiders "only" allowed them 37 points in Denver, but did Manning and company just take their foot of the gas?

I am trying to think of how other AFC contenders (like Indy) might go about stopping or at least slowing down this offense. Dropping into coverage won't work, with enough time Manning will find your mistake before you force him to make one. And he's lethal against the blitz, he almost always sees it coming. Rushing 4 effectively sounds nice but how many defenses can do this for an entire game?

Many teams have attempted to just keep the ball away from Manning with a ball control offensive gameplan. The Broncos are ranked at the top vs. the run, only allowing 69.6 YPG (1st) and 3.3 YPC (3rd). But how representative of the defense's ability is that? I assume the opposing offense gives up on running the ball pretty quickly.
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I suppose the Giants. Held him under 70% completion, gave up only 2 TDs, held him 2.5 yards per attempt lower than anyone else.
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I laugh at the notion of Manning having a weak arm. He has thrown PERFECT bombs to Decker, Welker, Thomas, etc. But no, he has a below average arm. Whatever lol.

The thing is, Manning right now knows he will have someone open. If not, he's throwing it away. Against Dallas, they were so scared about getting beat by the WR's and TE, they left the checkdowns to the RB's wide open all game. It was an easy throw and completion for 10ish yards nearly every time. Manning will take that all day if nothing is open right away, and with how many weapons the Broncos have right now, they have a mismatch every snap basically.

Also, in regards to who was better, the Colts WR/TE combo or the Broncos WR/TE combo, still too early to tell as all of the Broncos weapons except for Welker are extremely young.
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I laugh at the notion of Manning having a weak arm. He has thrown PERFECT bombs to Decker, Welker, Thomas, etc. But no, he has a below average arm. Whatever lol.

The thing is, Manning right now knows he will have someone open. If not, he's throwing it away. Against Dallas, they were so scared about getting beat by the WR's and TE, they left the checkdowns to the RB's wide open all game. It was an easy throw and completion for 10ish yards nearly every time. Manning will take that all day if nothing is open right away, and with how many weapons the Broncos have right now, they have a mismatch every snap basically.

Also, in regards to who was better, the Colts WR/TE combo or the Broncos WR/TE combo, still too early to tell as all of the Broncos weapons except for Welker are extremely young.
And I laugh when people think throwing "bombs" equates to arm strength
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I would probably agree although it is selling Stokley and Clark short by simply saying that. They were 2 of the top players at their respective positions at that time.

In a simple comparison:

Harrison > D. Thomas
Wayne > Decker
Stokley < Welker
Clark > J. Thomas
You have this exactly backwards.

Thomas is a better receiver than Harrison. Harrison was a good technician but Thomas is a game-changing athlete. Harrison minus Manning would have been a run-of-the-mill receiver. Thomas is elite anywhere.

Decker and Wayne...Decker is big and deceptively athletic. Wayne's a tough overachiever who relied on Manning and modern soft defenses/spread offenses to produce.

Stokley...he got 1,000 yards on 15.8 yards/catch. That's quite a bit more impressive than doing it on 10-11 yards/catch. Stokley actually had to run real patterns to beat people, not dinky little underneath crap.

I was always a Dallas Clark fan, but Julius Thomas is on another level athletically. He's basically another wide receiver. I always thought Clark was a very underrated blocker, though...when they used him in the 2 TE sets at the line, as opposed to splitting him out, anyway. Still, Thomas is much more of a game changer.
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