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Old 11-16-2015, 07:16 PM    (permalink
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Default Perhaps people should admit Jordan Taber was dead on?

First Julian Edelman replaces Wes Welker and does exactly what Jordan said he'd do 6 years ago on the KFFL forum. Then, as if it wasn't already crystal clear that Edelman and basically any other receiver who makes it to the NFL can catch 110+ passes per year (provided they stay healthy) as the featured short passing game/screen receiver in the Patriots' offense, which is targeted 10+ times the majority of their games, Edelman goes down stupidly trying to break a tackle in yesterday's game, and in comes Danny Amendola to catch 10 passes.

Remember how the genius that is Saints-Tigers said there's no such thing as easy catches and yards in the NFL? Remember?

Meanwhile, the average NFL fan still thinks Wes Welker was an elite wide receiver, and that his numbers just coincidentally fell off a cliff going to Denver because other weaponz and stuff (Randy Moss/Gronkowski weren't weapons, bro) and concussionz, and 3 concussions in an 11 year career playing in the NFL is a lot.
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Love the KFFL reference. That is all
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:35 AM    (permalink
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Welker was great in Denver before getting hurt, and they badly missed him when gone.

Tom Brady and Manning both use a slot receiver well,but you still need a talented one. Edelman is a beast(watch his 59 yarder a few weeks ago), Amendola was good in St.Louis and Welker was a stud in Miami and at Texas Tech.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:32 PM    (permalink
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Hey Jordan. Amendola was good before he went to New England though. Hole in your defense.
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Welker was great in Denver before getting hurt, and they badly missed him when gone.

Tom Brady and Manning both use a slot receiver well,but you still need a talented one. Edelman is a beast(watch his 59 yarder a few weeks ago), Amendola was good in St.Louis and Welker was a stud in Miami and at Texas Tech.
67 catches and 1 TD worth of stud.

The Dolphins had a normal offense, where #3 receivers are #3 receivers and that's it.

The Patriots have an offense where #3 and #4 receivers catch 110 passes per 16 games.

Literally every receiver who makes it to the NFL is going to rack up the receptions as the featured underneath receiver in New England. When you're targeted on high percentage passes 10+ times per game, that's what happens.

If Welker had been legitimately any better than a #3-caliber receiver he would've had teams beating down his door to sign him in 2013 and would've been a go-to guy somewhere else. Not a #3 receiver who eventually became a forgotten man.

And the guy the Broncos missed when gone was Julius Thomas. Welker was interchangeable.
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Old 11-22-2015, 11:15 PM    (permalink
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67 catches and 1 TD worth of stud.

The Dolphins had a normal offense, where #3 receivers are #3 receivers and that's it.

The Patriots have an offense where #3 and #4 receivers catch 110 passes per 16 games.

Literally every receiver who makes it to the NFL is going to rack up the receptions as the featured underneath receiver in New England. When you're targeted on high percentage passes 10+ times per game, that's what happens.

If Welker had been legitimately any better than a #3-caliber receiver he would've had teams beating down his door to sign him in 2013 and would've been a go-to guy somewhere else. Not a #3 receiver who eventually became a forgotten man.

And the guy the Broncos missed when gone was Julius Thomas. Welker was interchangeable.
Don't forget they paid Amendola good money to be the new Welker but Edelman took the job.

Also, Patriot DBs went to Belichick and said "we simply cannot cover this guy" and that's why they went and got him, and gave up a 2nd round pick plus a 7th rounder for him. How often you see the Pats give up high picks for players??
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I sincerely doubt they went to Belichick and said, "we cannot cover this guy" when he was catching little underneath 4 yard passes against them. Just look at the game logs.

"Damn, coach B, he caught 9 passes for 77 yards against us (with a long of 25, meaning the other 8 were for 52 yards, which is a little more than 6 yards per catch) en route to them scoring 10 whole points on us. He's killing us out there!"

Edelman took Amendola's job because Amendola got hurt right away in 2013 (which is the norm for him). Plus, Edelman is the better athlete.

Again, it does not matter who they plug into that role. 110+ catches over a 16 game span is guaranteed. Look at what Amendola did the last 2 weeks filling in.
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Taber is just a racist who can comprehend how the NFL actually works. Anyone with two eyes could see the obvious, but Taber must be blind.
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I sincerely doubt they went to Belichick and said, "we cannot cover this guy" when he was catching little underneath 4 yard passes against them. Just look at the game logs.

"Damn, coach B, he caught 9 passes for 77 yards against us (with a long of 25, meaning the other 8 were for 52 yards, which is a little more than 6 yards per catch) en route to them scoring 10 whole points on us. He's killing us out there!"

Edelman took Amendola's job because Amendola got hurt right away in 2013 (which is the norm for him). Plus, Edelman is the better athlete.

Again, it does not matter who they plug into that role. 110+ catches over a 16 game span is guaranteed. Look at what Amendola did the last 2 weeks filling in.
Again, they utilize talent, they don't make it.

and that's been the story on the Welker signing since it happened. I'll say it once more. Why give up a 2nd rounder, a 7th rounder, plus a decent contract if just any old guy could fill the role? Who caught 110 passes before Welker?
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Amendola is a disappointment, that is why he had to take a paycut.
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Look up Troy Brown's numbers and compare targets. Does that answer your question?

Let's compare the kind of numbers Welker is putting up this year at age 34 with the Rams to those that Owens was at 34 with the Cowboys.

Wait...nah.

Here's what you and others don't seem to get about "taking advantage of talent" - the guys with Welker's "talent" are journeyman-caliber players. We're talking about the Julian Edelmans, the Danny Amendolas, the Cole Beasleys, the Eddie Royals. You want a somewhat quick #3 or #4 receiver, just look at every receiver under 6'0" who made it to the NFL...especially those who lack great speed.

The Patriots can make literally any wide receiver who makes it to the NFL into a 100 catch receiver. That's not the same as "utilizing talent." I once caught 100 passes from my friend in the back yard. Was my friend taking advantage of my talent?

Sorry, journeyman receivers are not the real talents while the great athletes like the Julio Joneses aren't actually better than them. The game is not backwards. The coaches and scouts didn't get it wrong all those years about the Jerry Rices and the Randy Mosses and the Terrell Owenses being the game changers while the scrawny, slow, unexplosive guy who can catch a screen and run behind a convoy of blockers for 7 yards or run a drag and beat a linebacker for some underneath yards or get open from the slot using the surrounding traffic/pick plays is the real talent.

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Seems to me the Patriots targeted Welker and Amendola heavily in free agency, and gave Edelman a decent contract extension. All of this after the offense struggled with the likes of Reche Caldwell and Doug Gabriel, who qualifiy as a bad, untalented receivers. What if they're just good at scouting slot receivers?

I mean, a corner is more talented than a safety, or in baseball, a starter is more talented than a reliever. The latter is typically a version of the former that can't do the latter for one reason of the other. That doesn't mean that certain players can't have traits that lend itself more strongly to slot receiver, safety, or reliever, that make them much more likely to succeed in that role.
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Look up Troy Brown's numbers and compare targets. Does that answer your question?

Let's compare the kind of numbers Welker is putting up this year at age 34 with the Rams to those that Owens was at 34 with the Cowboys.

Wait...nah.

Here's what you and others don't seem to get about "taking advantage of talent" - the guys with Welker's "talent" are journeyman-caliber players. We're talking about the Julian Edelmans, the Danny Amendolas, the Cole Beasleys, the Eddie Royals. You want a somewhat quick #3 or #4 receiver, just look at every receiver under 6'0" who made it to the NFL...especially those who lack great speed.

The Patriots can make literally any wide receiver who makes it to the NFL into a 100 catch receiver. That's not the same as "utilizing talent." I once caught 100 passes from my friend in the back yard. Was my friend taking advantage of my talent?

Sorry, journeyman receivers are not the real talents while the great athletes like the Julio Joneses aren't actually better than them. The game is not backwards. The coaches and scouts didn't get it wrong all those years about the Jerry Rices and the Randy Mosses and the Terrell Owenses being the game changers while the scrawny, slow, unexplosive guy who can catch a screen and run behind a convoy of blockers for 7 yards or run a drag and beat a linebacker for some underneath yards or get open from the slot using the surrounding traffic/pick plays is the real talent.
Any thoughts on the last few weeks with Edelman and Amendola out?
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The Patriots have missed on some WRs they invested top 100 picks into: Chad Jackson, Taylor Price, Aaron Dobson. That kind off goes against the narrative that they can just role any ole WR out onto the field.
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The Patriots have missed on some WRs they invested top 100 picks into: Chad Jackson, Taylor Price, Aaron Dobson. That kind off goes against the narrative that they can just role any ole WR out onto the field.
They always seem to get a lot of production from the slot without much on the outside that I can remember, aside from... Randy Moss. But Maybe Brady just prefers the middle of the field. Gronk and Hernandez are/were middle of the field players, from Deion Branch through Welker to Amendola and Edelman, to Kevin Faulk and Dion Lewis, etc, etc, etc - for as long as I can remember the Pats' offense has been taking advantage of spacing in the middle of the field.
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