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Old 10-13-2013, 10:15 AM    (permalink
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Tom Brady has more Super Bowl wins than Romo has playoff wins.
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Considering the offense has changed depending on the players around him and the offensive coordinators lack of success with the "boring system" elsewhere, do you think any possibility exists that Brady is a small part of the reason that system is successful?
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An idea for your next thread: Reggie Ball was a better and more productive college QB than Peyton Manning. Manning would not have come close to Ball's success if he had been stuck at Georgia Tech without the boring/easy system he had at Tennessee!

I agree that Romo is underrated, but please stop trying to shock the world with ridiculous statements.
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Always has been.

Of course, this will be seen as blasphemous, trolling, blah blah blah. I. Do not. Care.

It needs to be said.

What impresses me the most about Romo, aside from his quick release, air-tight spirals, and accuracy intermediate-to-deep, is that he is doing all of this with a complete imbecile calling the plays (Jason Garrett). He's never relied on the system. You can spread it out and he can carve you up, but he'll do it despite not being given all the outlets and bunch formations and route combinations that the likes of Brady benefit from.

I will never forget how much different the Cowboys' offense looked when he took over for Drew Bledsoe in 2006. It was night and day. All of a sudden, the ball was coming out of there with urgency, and it was a deep-to-short look.

Brady, on the other hand, was always a product of a system. I'll give him credit for having terrific pocket presence and command of said system. That's where it ends. The number of impressive throws he makes per season is embarrassingly low for a supposed "legend." The supposed "clutchness" is obviously a myth, given that the Patriots lost two Super Bowls to the Giants resulting in large part from his poor play.

Romo could easily do what Brady did/does. Stand back there and dump it off underneath out of the spread, throw screens and hitches, only with much better and safer route designs? He'd be bored out of his mind in that offense. His interception totals would fall off a cliff, given he wouldn't have to take the chances he does in the system he's in. I'm sure it's as boring to play in the New England offense as it is to watch it. It's like watching paint dry.

But Romo doesn't get to live a life of glory and boredom like that. Instead, he gets to play for a redheaded idiot, with a mediocre defense and idiots ready to jump down his throat at every turn whenever he makes a mistake. Oh well, at least he's not married to a hideous, anorexic ****.
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Considering the offense has changed depending on the players around him and the offensive coordinators lack of success with the "boring system" elsewhere, do you think any possibility exists that Brady is a small part of the reason that system is successful?
Considering Matt Cassel did well enough in that system to convince the Chiefs to trade a high draft pick for him...

I already acknowledged Brady deserves credit for having a great grasp of the offense, as well as sound mechanics and excellent pocket presence. But there are and have always been better quarterbacks than him.
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Considering Matt Cassel did well enough in that system to convince the Chiefs to trade a high draft pick for him...

I already acknowledged Brady deserves credit for having a great grasp of the offense, as well as sound mechanics and excellent pocket presence. But there are and have always been better quarterbacks than him.
Cassel also put up similar production in KC. Didn't make him any good as a QB, even if PFF thought he was due to his stats.
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JordanTaber is obviously a poor troll, but I want to address something...

People constantly talk about easy systems, and all this nonsense, but really, if there was any particular "system" that made moving the ball way easier, every team would do it. The "system" seems to work better for Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers... and the other guys like Eli, Romo, Ben, etc, have the "hard" systems. Funny how when you have a more effective QB, the "system" is so easy!
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JordanTaber is obviously a poor troll, but I want to address something...

People constantly talk about easy systems, and all this nonsense, but really, if there was any particular "system" that made moving the ball way easier, every team would do it. The "system" seems to work better for Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers... and the other guys like Eli, Romo, Ben, etc, have the "hard" systems. Funny how when you have a more effective QB, the "system" is so easy!
Some systems have a much higher degree of complexity, like the Giants and Patriots, while others are much more simplistic, like the Saints, Cowboys and Norv's Chargers. Doesn't make the Saints, cowboys or Chargers systems easier, as the QB still has to make the throws, but there's a lot less room for miscommunication than the option routes the pats and giants rely on. It all comes down to matching your system to your QB, just look at the giants and pats, both run a lot of option routes but the giants passing game is a lot more vertical to take advantage of Eli's amazing deepball, while the pats use those same option concepts to attack horizontally because Brady is such a machine picking teams apart in that area.
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I am watching the Baltimore-GB game, and Terrell Suggs just looked like he went low near Aaron Rodgers' knees. If that was Tom Brady, that would have been a 15-yard penalty.
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I am watching the Baltimore-GB game, and Terrell Suggs just looked like he went low near Aaron Rodgers' knees. If that was Tom Brady, that would have been a 15-yard penalty.
Tom Brady is the only QB that refs enforce the rules for. It is known.
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I actually agree with this.
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Not sure how going to 2 more superbowls is a bad thing...
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Some systems have a much higher degree of complexity, like the Giants and Patriots, while others are much more simplistic, like the Saints, Cowboys and Norv's Chargers. Doesn't make the Saints, cowboys or Chargers systems easier, as the QB still has to make the throws, but there's a lot less room for miscommunication than the option routes the pats and giants rely on. It all comes down to matching your system to your QB, just look at the giants and pats, both run a lot of option routes but the giants passing game is a lot more vertical to take advantage of Eli's amazing deepball, while the pats use those same option concepts to attack horizontally because Brady is such a machine picking teams apart in that area.

Yea, that's what I'm kind of getting at. There is no "easy" system, teams are smart, and these teams have schemed to take advantage of the strength of their team. The Patriots have been copied a LOT over the years, if teams could implement the horizontal game and get things going the way the Pats have done so well, they would. The Saints use a lot of those concepts, but you have to have laser like precision on the throws for a lot of it, and the ball HAS to be out quick.

Romo has had a lot of good things on his side over the years. He has an unfair rep as a choker, but he has nothing to complain about in terms of offensive help compared to all of these guys.
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But is he more productive?
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Romo has been a very productive player. At the end of the day it is tough to not pick Brady over him.
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JordanTaber is obviously a poor troll, but I want to address something...

People constantly talk about easy systems, and all this nonsense, but really, if there was any particular "system" that made moving the ball way easier, every team would do it. The "system" seems to work better for Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers... and the other guys like Eli, Romo, Ben, etc, have the "hard" systems. Funny how when you have a more effective QB, the "system" is so easy!
I love how you actually think you're saying something meaningful, true, or something that hasn't been said thousands of times before. It's the only counter-argument anyone tries to come up with, and it's hilariously stupid.

If it's not the system, why does Texas Tech constantly put up enormous numbers in their gimmick offense, which all the scouts acknowledge is a major knock on all the productive players they field in the passing game, while other colleges never copy said system?

Or how about Houston (college)?

There's a reason Kliff Kingsbury was a 6th round pick. There's a reason Tim Rattay was a 7th round pick.

Funny how it's coaches like Belichick, Mike McCarthy, and Sean Payton who always have the top passing games, not Greg Roman, John Shoop, and Bob Bratkowski.
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I love how you actually think you're saying something meaningful, true, or something that hasn't been said thousands of times before. It's the only counter-argument anyone tries to come up with, and it's hilariously stupid.

If it's not the system, why does Texas Tech constantly put up enormous numbers in their gimmick offense, which all the scouts acknowledge is a major knock on all the productive players they field in the passing game, while other colleges never copy said system?

Or how about Houston (college)?

There's a reason Kliff Kingsbury was a 6th round pick. There's a reason Tim Rattay was a 7th round pick.

Funny how it's coaches like Belichick, Mike McCarthy, and Sean Payton who always have the top passing games, not Greg Roman, John Shoop, and Bob Bratkowski.
Weis, McD, O'Brien, and McD2 all ran completely different offenses.
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I love how you actually think you're saying something meaningful, true, or something that hasn't been said thousands of times before. It's the only counter-argument anyone tries to come up with, and it's hilariously stupid.

If it's not the system, why does Texas Tech constantly put up enormous numbers in their gimmick offense, which all the scouts acknowledge is a major knock on all the productive players they field in the passing game, while other colleges never copy said system?

Or how about Houston (college)?

There's a reason Kliff Kingsbury was a 6th round pick. There's a reason Tim Rattay was a 7th round pick.

Funny how it's coaches like Belichick, Mike McCarthy, and Sean Payton who always have the top passing games, not Greg Roman, John Shoop, and Bob Bratkowski.
I love how you think you've said something meaningful... ever.
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Weis, McD, and O'Brien all ran completely different offenses.
This is true and disproves the thought that Brady is a system QB. It's stupid to say he's a system QB because Belichck and the coaches intentionally change the offense up every few years and it's constantly evolved under Belichick. Brady has excelled in multiple types of offenses. You can't say he is only good at running one because it's simply not true.
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I love how you think you've said something meaningful... ever.
Great comeback.

Texas Tech still rolls its eyes at you, as do all NFL scouts.
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I'm pretty sure Tom Brady can play in any system. He can make all the throws and he is the premier quarterback in the league mechanically.
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Well, what you mean is if you give Brady Thomas, Thomas, and Decker in addition to either Amendola and/or Edelman, they could put up 51.

Heck, if you just gave him a healthy Gronkowski, Hernandez, and Vareen, in addition to Edelman and/or Amandola, he'd be lighting it up like he usually does.


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Post-1980:

Steve Young
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
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