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Old 10-17-2013, 02:58 PM    (permalink
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Mike's problem was never really his talent level though.
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Mike's problem was never really his talent level though.
No it was that Defensive Backs in the NFL couldn't be thrown around like rag dolls the way he did during an era of extremely poor Pac 10 defensive backs. Looking back at them now and seeing how they got their catches and yards, it's no surprised he and Rashaun Woods were such failures in the NFL.
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No it was that Defensive Backs in the NFL couldn't be thrown around like rag dolls the way he did during an era of extremely poor Pac 10 defensive backs. Looking back at them now and seeing how they got their catches and yards, it's no surprised he and Rashaun Woods were such failures in the NFL.
It also didn't help that he was never really in great shape in the NFL either.
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I can find a play where Rod Owens burned the UNC defense (that had like 9 NFL players on it) for what, a 98 yard TD in 2009? Doesn't mean he has speed. Evans isn't slow, but I would be floored if he has anything close to Watkins' speed.

For some reason Evans reminds me a lot of Jonathan Baldwin, which doesn't really bode well for an NFL future.
That's a really poor argument. Very few receivers in general will have a time comparable to Watkins. You can't pick one of the fastest players in the nation as justification for why someone is else is too slow.

I think Evans is at least a solid 4.5 guy. Combined that with immense catching radius and great hands, he's almost unstoppable. Comparing him to any and every big receiver who didn't pan out is just lazy.
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Put BMW in the league in 1990 and I wonder what he does. If he had been dedicated that is. He had a decent year with Seattle upon his short lived comeback.
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I can find a play where Rod Owens burned the UNC defense (that had like 9 NFL players on it) for what, a 98 yard TD in 2009? Doesn't mean he has speed. Evans isn't slow, but I would be floored if he has anything close to Watkins' speed.

For some reason Evans reminds me a lot of Jonathan Baldwin, which doesn't really bode well for an NFL future.
Brandon Coleman is more like Baldwin.

The guy is 6'5" 225+. People don't understand you don't need to be fast at that size. Brandon Marshall is pretty slow. It's not like Marshall runs deep routes anyway. Evans might not separate, but he'll win contested balls most of the time.
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Evans just like every other WR with his size has to do two things to make it in the NFL. 1. Keep his weight down. Can't get up into the 240's. 2. Getting in and out of his breaks. It's really hard for guy this big to drop down and explode out. So Hook, Dig's CB's can see coming from a mile away.

I like him as a player. I have him in the 25 to 35 range right now. That's with him running in the 4.55
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Brandon Coleman is more like Baldwin.

The guy is 6'5" 225+. People don't understand you don't need to be fast at that size. Brandon Marshall is pretty slow. It's not like Marshall runs deep routes anyway. Evans might not separate, but he'll win contested balls most of the time.
But Marshall has always been very quick.
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I think Mike Evans is going to end up being a really high pick. Like maybe top 5 once the whole draft process plays out. I think he's my favorite pick for the Seahawks right now, but I also don't think they're going to have a shot at him. He's really athletic. He's got the former-basketball player thing going for him, and it's really obvious watching him run downfield and get in a better position to out-jump the defender for it. He also has a good feel for the sideline and uses his feet well, and he does a good job of staying aware and coming back to the football for Johnny Manziel. He'd go great with Russell Wilson, and he'd be an upgrade over way-overpaid Sidney Rice.

He's good at picking up yards after the catch, and I think he compares favorably to Brandon Marshall in that regard. Often the very tall guys give up something in athleticism, but Evans doesn't. It's like a smaller, very athletic player has just been scaled up in size. He doesn't look like the fastest guy, but he routinely runs away from people and TA&M's website claims he ran a 4.54 in high school, so even if he's not in Calvin Johnson's class in that regard, I would be absolutely shocked if he ran slow at the combine. Right now I think I'd expect to see a 4.48 sort of showing.

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The more I watch A&M, the more impressed I am with him, and the less I become of Manziel.
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Evans is a ******* boss. I love this kid.
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I think Mike Evans is going to end up being a really high pick. Like maybe top 5 once the whole draft process plays out. I think he's my favorite pick for the Seahawks right now, but I also don't think they're going to have a shot at him. He's really athletic. He's got the former-basketball player thing going for him, and it's really obvious watching him run downfield and get in a better position to out-jump the defender for it. He also has a good feel for the sideline and uses his feet well, and he does a good job of staying aware and coming back to the football for Johnny Manziel. He'd go great with Russell Wilson, and he'd be an upgrade over way-overpaid Sidney Rice.

He's good at picking up yards after the catch, and I think he compares favorably to Brandon Marshall in that regard. Often the very tall guys give up something in athleticism, but Evans doesn't. It's like a smaller, very athletic player has just been scaled up in size. He doesn't look like the fastest guy, but he routinely runs away from people and TA&M's website claims he ran a 4.54 in high school, so even if he's not in Calvin Johnson's class in that regard, I would be absolutely shocked if he ran slow at the combine. Right now I think I'd expect to see a 4.48 sort of showing.
Top 5 is possible, but it would probably take a big combine performance. Middle of the first is where I'd expect him right now.
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Evans is pretty much Cam Newton's wet dream.
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Evans is pretty much Cam Newton's wet dream.
Every scrambler is going to beg for him. Newton, Pryor (if he's still the man in Oakland), Kaepernick, etc.
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Evans is pretty much Cam Newton's wet dream.
this, x1000. at times he misses high, but it is not that hard to miss high with a 5'9 WR.a 6'5 WR would bring in those balls.
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Mike Evans looking ridiculous. I don't watch much college ball, but what other receivers are going to potentially be high end picks this year? And where does Mike Evans fit in that regard?
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I haven't really gotten a chance to watch much of Evans. He seems like he doesn't get much separation against better corners. Could be an issue against NFL coverage, no?
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I haven't really gotten a chance to watch much of Evans. He seems like he doesn't get much separation against better corners. Could be an issue against NFL coverage, no?
I think he projects better as a WR/TE hybrid, ala Jimmy Graham. I'm not sure he's going to beat too many #1 corners but he'll be a matchup nightmare against most linebackers and safeties.
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Receivers as big as Evans don't necessarily need to get that much separation, they just need to go up over guys and get the ball.
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I think he projects better as a WR/TE hybrid, ala Jimmy Graham. I'm not sure he's going to beat too many #1 corners but he'll be a matchup nightmare against most linebackers and safeties.
Wasn't Marques Colston a hybrid or used like that by the Saints his first few years in the NFL?
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Wasn't Marques Colston a hybrid or used like that by the Saints his first few years in the NFL?
Well Colston has technically been a slot throughout his career so really the difference between a big-bodied slot WR and a flex/joker/hybrid TE is really just semantics. Although we're never gonna see him (Evans) in the pros coming out of a 3 point stance so I'd be reluctant to label him a TE but again, semantics.
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I'm with P-L, Evans runs away with guys at the college level but I don't expect him to blow away with his 40 time and more importantly, looks like he doesn't change direction all that well.

He looks physically dominant and guys have succeeded doing that in the league, but I think there's definitely questions about how he projects. If he goes to the right team/scheme though and answers those questions, I could see him being a monster though. Kind of fits the Colston big bodied slot role with more potential to get deep.

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Receivers as big as Evans don't necessarily need to get that much separation, they just need to go up over guys and get the ball.
Going to agree with this, Evans' skillset is his ability to simply snatch the ball out of the air in places where no defender stands a chance.
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He doesn't look like the fastest guy, but he routinely runs away from people and TA&M's website claims he ran a 4.54 in high school, so even if he's not in Calvin Johnson's class in that regard, I would be absolutely shocked if he ran slow at the combine. Right now I think I'd expect to see a 4.48 sort of showing.
Never, ever use HS 40 times for reference.
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I like him, but I think he's more of a mid to late 1st rounder. He is the type who is always open, though, because of his ability to win the jump ball. That's valuable. How well he runs at the combine will be crucial.
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