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Old 11-02-2013, 09:23 AM    (permalink
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If Florida State redshirt freshman quarterback Jameis Winston was eligible for the 2014 NFL Draft, he'd probably be the first overall pick, an NFL scout told the Orlando Sentinel.

"Rarely do you see a quarterback at Winston's age who has the combination of size, speed, arm strength and field awareness that he has," the scout, who requested anonymity, told Sentinel columnist Mike Bianchi. "He's a bigger, stronger, faster version of (Louisville's) Teddy Bridgewater."
He's the #1 overall pick whichever year he decides to come out. What team would he be the best fit for?
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Any team really. However, it's hard to garner such young Qbs. A lot of guys who come out after RS Soph. years do not excel well in this league because of maturity and not ready to take on being the face of the franchise in a city/state.

I think that's a strong reason why Andrew Luck didn;'t come out. I think Mariotta and Hundley won't come out either. Coaches will advise it's better to play that 3rd year of college ball because the NFL is a new ball park. New System and they've played the read option.

Back to Winston: I've seen a lot to say he can be the #1 QB and overall pick next year. But a lot can happen from now until then. Hackenburgh to me, reminds me a lot of Andrew Luck. Penn State just has a horrid Oline, inconsistency at RB, and no WRs besides Robinson.
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Winston fits any team. He's a quarterback who operates from the pocket and a guy who does that will always have an upper-hand over one who doesn't. If we were talking about Marcus Mariota, the conversation would be different. I feel Mariota benefits from a gimmicky offense and I don't know if he has the arm strength or accuracy to excel in the NFL. Those questions don't arise with Jameis.
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I love Winston. Physically he reminds me a lot of Luck. He just has a natural feel for the game, buys time in the pocket, and delivers impressive throw after impressive throw. I'd be cool with the Pats paying an RGIII esque price in picks for him.
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9/10. Would draft.
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I love Winston. Physically he reminds me a lot of Luck. He just has a natural feel for the game, buys time in the pocket, and delivers impressive throw after impressive throw. I'd be cool with the Pats paying an RGIII esque price in picks for him.
Who ever has the 1st pick when he declares will not give up that opportunity, even if it was that price.
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Watching him for the first time and I get a Ben Roethlisberger vibe.
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He's the number 1 pick whenever he declares. Which will probably be after next year.

He is outstanding at the two most important qualities for an NFL QB, the ability to feel pressure and move in the pocket, and accuracy. Two things I thought EJ really struggled with, which was why I was never a big fan of him as a pro prospect. But these traits are what separate the mediocre QB's from the great ones.

Its not arm strength or athleticism that separates Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers. Its the ability to move in the pocket and put the ball where receivers can make plays.

He winds up a bit with his release, but has a huge arm to compensate.
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The reason it's not good for most QBs to come out super early is because they don't have the reps in big games and big situations. Even Luck's first year he was mostly just handing off to Toby Gerhart. Winston has been playing Senior QB reps since Game 2 this year. He'll be ready.
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Yeah pretty much the black Andrew Luck, that's actually better at a younger age.
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Watching him for the first time and I get a Ben Roethlisberger vibe.
Is it ok to compare him to a white guy?

I see a lot of similarities in their pocket presence and their ability to throw the ball downfield. Until something better comes along that comparison is pretty fair i think.
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Winston is getting more hype because he goes to florida state. No doubt he deserves it. He's a heck of a player. But I still think Bridgewater is better prospect slightly ahead of Winston and slightly below Luck.
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Bridgewater is nowhere close to Luck as a prospect. Teddy is good but not close to once in a generation.
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My main concern with Winston is his wacky release. Looks like he winds up a little too much.
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Winston is getting more hype because he goes to florida state. No doubt he deserves it. He's a heck of a player. But I still think Bridgewater is better prospect slightly ahead of Winston and slightly below Luck.
He's getting more hype because he's years beyond where he should be as a QB. He is the closest thing CFB has to Lebron James.
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Yeah, I mean Jameis needs to stay at FSU for at least another season, preferably two, to refine his game and learn how to react when Offensive coordinators are scheming to specifically stop him.

But I think there's a growing consensus he'd be the 1/1 pick if he was eligible for the 2014 draft.

Bridgewater doesn't have Winston's tools, which is the main point of separation I see between them.

If WInston stays until RS junior year, he's going to be rated one of the best QB prospects ever.
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Can we stop speculating that Winston will stay beyond next season. Not going to happen.
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Can we stop speculating that Winston will stay beyond next season. Not going to happen.
Depends if he wants to win a third Heisman.

People say he played his worst game last night, he still had an adjusted QBR of 94.6.
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They guy looks really good. Great set of tools, is playing well, seems like a good character guy, and I like his pocket presence. I'm not ready to crown a guy the best prospect after 8 games though. He is on track for a high pick though.

A couple if his throws last night weren't great.
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Can we stop speculating that Winston will stay beyond next season. Not going to happen.
Exactly. You strike when the iron is hot. He was a 4.0 student in high school. He's too smart to stay.
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Exactly. You strike when the iron is hot. He was a 4.0 student in high school. He's too smart to stay.
Since when does an athlete's high school GPA correlate with his decision to stay or leave? Luck was really smart and stayed at Stanford an extra year.

Not saying Winston is going to stay, but citing his high school GPA as a reason for doing so is silly.
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Since when does an athlete's high school GPA correlate with his decision to stay or leave? Luck was really smart and stayed at Stanford an extra year.

Not saying Winston is going to stay, but citing his high school GPA as a reason for doing so is silly.
If anything it reinforces the idea he might stay to earn a degree.
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Since when does an athlete's high school GPA correlate with his decision to stay or leave? Luck was really smart and stayed at Stanford an extra year.

Not saying Winston is going to stay, but citing his high school GPA as a reason for doing so is silly.
Andrew Luck would've gone after his sophomore year if they won the national championship.
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Winston is the truth. Andre Luck v.2.0. Not such a prodigy mentally but he has a superior deep ball. More of a gunslinger than Luck.
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Andrew Luck would've gone after his sophomore year if they won the national championship.
No he wouldn't have. Luck stayed so he could finish his Architectural Design degree. Regardless the notion that someone's high school GPA is related at all to whether or not they will leave for the NFL is stupid.
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