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Default Mid Season 2014 Mock 2 Rounds

1. TRADE Minnesota Vikings (ATL) - *Teddy Bridgewater |QB| Louisville:
If Atlanta ends up in the #1 spot they'll be able to deal down with a QB needy team. In this case, Minnesota. There will be some drama regarding who the top QB is but when it's all said, it'll still be Theodore.
NFL Comp: Jay Cutler


2. TRADE Atlanta Falcons (MINN) - *Jadeveon Clowney |DE| South Carolina:
Dimitroff likely wouldn't want to drop down too far and pass up Clowney.
NFL Comp: JPP

3. Oakland Raiders - Anthony Barr |DE/OLB| UCLA:
Barr isn't as talented as Clowney but he's a better football player.
NFL Comp: DeMarcus Ware


4. Jacksonville Jaguars - *Marcus Mariota |QB| Oregon:
Its all about the ceiling with Mariota. Likley one of the most coveted players in the draft if he declares, even though he might only be the 4th best QB in this class.
NFL Comp: Colin Kaepernick


5. Houston Texans - *Eric Ebron |TE| North Carolina:
Texans could look at a QB early but I think they could look for another young playmaker first. Ebron is a difference making TE and a great fit.
NFL Comp: Antonio Gates

6. Cleveland Browns - *Blake Bortles |QB| Central Florida:
Hate the name but he's a slightly weaker armed Roethlisberger. He even looks like Ben. That could also mean he's another John Skelton but he's better than that. Stated he plans to return, but he'll go high if he declares, which could change things. I think the Browns could overdraft him if he's available, which would be a wise choice.
NFL Comp Ben Roethlisberger


7. St.Louis Rams (WAS) - *Sammy Watkins |WR| Clemson:
Watkins should be the most talented skill position guy in the draft if he checks out good medically.
NFL Comp: Randall Cobb

8. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Khalil Mack |OLB/DE| Buffalo:
Glennon may not be long term answer but he's earned an opportunity to see if he can be the guy. Mack's stock is rising. Bucs could use him in a Von Miller type role, as an additional pass rusher on passing downs and outside in the base defense.
NFL Comp: Terrell Suggs

9. New York Giants - *Mike Evans |WR| Texas A&M:
With Nicks on his way out, the Giants could forgo their needs on the OL and find another perfect jumpball target for Eli. Evans is dominating but also reminds me some of ND's Floyd who has struggled with the technical aspects of the position.
NFL Comp: Plaxico Burress

10. Buffalo Bills - C.J. Mosley |LB| Alabama:
Mosley is a beast of a prospect and could probably fit at either LB position in any defense.
NFL Comp: Ray Lewis

11. Miami Dolphins - Jake Matthews |OT| Texas A&M:
Fins need a major intervention on the OL.
NFL Comp: Jordan Gross

12. Baltimore Ravens - *Marqise Lee|WR|USC:
If not for an injury plagued season, Lee might clearly be the best WR in this draft.
NFL Comp: Pierre Garcon

13. St. Louis Rams - *HaSean Clinton-Dix |S| Alabama:
Only S worthy of the first.
NFL Comp: Brodney Pool

14. Chicago Bears - Jason Verrett |CB| TCU:
Sits atop of the CB bunch, imo. Size & and speed and a stocked class of CBs might keep him from going higher.
NFL Comp: Joe Haden

15. New York Jets - *Cyrus Kouandjio |OT/OG| Alabama:
Plenty of options but the right side at OT or OG is a weakness and CK grades as a top ten guy.
NFL Comp: Trent Williams

16. Philadelphia Eagles - *Vic Beasley |DE/OLB| Clemson:
Beasley didn't struggle against Cam Erving as much as been had and he's just starting to reach his potential.
NFL Comp: Bruce Irvin

17. Tennessee Titans - Trent Murphy |DE| Stanford:
Tits should look for the best DE available.
NFL Comp: Paul Kruger

18. Green Bay Packers - Rashed Hageman |NT| Minnesota:
Not much flash but plugs away with reputed good athleticism.
NFL Comp: Chris Canty

19. Detroit Lions - Justin Gilbert |CB| Oklahoma St:
Gilbert's stock is rising with a very solid season so far.
NFL Comp: Terrance Mcgee

20. Arizona Cardinals - Taylor Lewan |OT| Michigan:
Possible right or left side plug and play guy.
NFL Comp: Michael Roos

21. Dallas Cowboys - *Stephen Tuitt |DT| Notre Dame:
Will be better suited as a 3T DT, imo.
NFL Comp:

22. Pittsburgh Steelers - *Odell Beckham Jr |WR| LSU:
Beckham is a great all around playmaker and has been clutch this season.
NFL Comp: Hines Ward

23. Cincinnati Bengals - *Ryan Shazier |LB| Ohio St:
Shazier is going to blow up in the right scheme.
NFL Comp: Lawrence Timmons

24. San Diego Chargers - *Scott Crighton |DE| Oregon St:
Crighton looks like a reach now but I don't think he'll be come April. More suited as an end in an even front, but athletic enough to play some in a hybrid scheme. Chargers just need the best pass rusher on the board.
NFL Comp: Greg Hardy

25. Cleveland Browns (IND) - *La'el Collins |OT/OG| LSU:
Browns need someone to run behind upfront.
NFL Comp: Anthony Davis

26. Kansas City Chiefs - *Jace Amaro |TE| Texas Tech:
Dynamic TE to the rescue.
NFL Comp: Jermichael Finley

27. San Francisco 49ers - Paul Richardson |WR| Colorado:
Not physical but an absolute blazer and can catch up to Kap's moon shots.
NFL Comp: TY Hilton

28. New England Patriots - *Austin Seferian-Jenkins |TE| Washington:
Could BB really pass this guy?
NFL Comp: Brandon Pettigrew

29. Carolina Panthers - *Brandon Scherff |OT/OG| Iowa:
Schreff provides knockout run blocking at OT or OG.
NFL Comp: Brian Winters

30. New Orleans Saints - Kyle Van Noy |LB| BYU:
Saints need the top talent they can find at LB . KVN’s an adept all around guy who could project outside or inside.
NFL Comp: Akeem Ayers

31. TRADE Houston Texans (SEA) - Derek Carr |QB| Fresno St:
It's a circle. Hai. Texans might have to compete with another team and move up to secure a QB. Carr has all the intangibles and tools but gets erratic under pressure. Looks like a slightly bigger/better Colt McCoy to me.
NFL Comp: Colt McCoy

32. Denver Broncos - *Ifo Ekpre-Olomu |CB/S| Oregon:
Physical for his size and ballhawks but is small and I'm not sure about his speed. Might end up a better FS.
NFL Comp: Eugene Wilson




ROUND 2


1. TRADE Atlanta Falcons (MINN)- *Melvin Gordon |RB| Wisconsin:
NFL Comp: Darren McFadden

2. Atlanta Falcons - *Cyril Richardson |OG| Baylor:
Richardson has the skill set of an all pro OG but doesn't always dominate like it looks like he should.
NFL Comp: Mike Iupati

3. Jacksonville Jaguars - Gabe Jackson |OG| Mississippi St:
Needs to be more stout, given his size, but looks like he could be a pro bowl caliber OG for a long time.
NFL Comp: Carl Nicks

4. TRADE Seattle Seahawks (HOU)- David Yankey |OG| Stanford:
NFL Comp:

5. Oakland Raiders - Zach Mettenberger |QB| LSU:
Down the stretch, I think McGloin is going to show the Raiders just how much Pryor is holding back the offense, but not play well enough to be considered the guy next season.
NFL Comp: Ryan Mallett

6. Washington Redskins - Dominique Easley |DT| Florida :
NFL Comp:

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Darqueze Dennard |DB| Michigan St:
NFL Comp: Jason McCourty

8. Cleveland Browns - *Brandin Cooks |WR| Oregon St:
Blazing speed but also has strong hands and yac skills.
NFL Comp: Derrick Mason

9. New York Giants – *Antonio Richardson |OT| Tennessee:
NFL Comp:

10. Miami Dolphins – Zach Martin |OG| Notre Dame:
NFL Comp:

11. Baltimore Ravens - Travis Swanson |OC| Arkansas:
NFL Comp:

12. St.Louis Rams - Will Sutton |DT| Arizona St:
NFL Comp:

13. Buffalo Bills – *Corey Robinson |OT| South Carolina:
NFL Comp:

14. New York Jets - *Devante Adams |WR| Fresno St:
NFL Comp: Hakeem Nicks

15. Philadelphia Eagles - *Johnny Manziel |QB| Texas A&M:
Easy fit. Sits behind Foles until no one can take it anymore.
NFL Comp: Jeff Garcia

16. Tennessee Titans - LaMarcus Joyner |CB| Florida State:
NFL Comp:

17. Chicago Bears - *Louis Nix III |DT| Notre Dame:
Imo not as dominant as he's been touted and now major injury concerns popping up.
NFL Comp: Dan Williams

18. Green Bay Packers - Shayne Skov |LB| Stanford:
NFL Comp: Jarrett Johnson

19. Arizona Cardinals - Michael Sam |OLB| Mizzou:
NFL Comp. Erik Walden

20. Detroit Lions - *Bradley Roby |DB| Ohio St:
NFL Comp: Malcolm Jenkins

21. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Exum |DB| Virginia Tech:
NFL Comp:

22. Pittsburgh Steelers - DaQuan Jones |DT| Penn State:
NFL Comp:

23. Cincinnati Bengals – Carlos Hyde |RB| Ohio St:
NFL Comp: Cedric Benson

24. San Diego Chargers - James Hurst |OT| North Carolina:
NFL Comp:

25. Indianapolis Colts - *Allen Robinson |WR| Penn St:
NFL Comp: Michael Floyd (SD)

26. San Francisco 49ers (KC) - Ahmad Dixon |S| Baylor:
NFL Comp: Glover Quinn

27. San Francisco 49ers – Ricardo Allen |CB| Purdue:
NFL Comp: Chris Harris

28. New England Patriots - *Kelcy Quarles |DT| South Carolina:
NFL Comp:

29. Carolina Panthers - *Donte Moncrief |WR| Ole Miss:
NFL Comp: Dez White

30. New Orleans Saints - Kyle Fuller |CB| Virginia Tech:
NFL Comp:

31. Seattle Seahawks - *Cameron Fleming |OT| Stanford:
NFL Comp:

32. Denver Broncos – Jordan Matthews |WR| Vanderbilt:
Carries the Vandy offense at times.
NFL Comp: Eric Decker
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I love Kyle Fuller, but the Cowboys need FS. Is that your thought?
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Brown Leader, Geez where to start?? First off there is not much that I like in your mock concerning the St. Louis Rams. But let me list them in a random array.

1.) Though it is true that Jered Cook has been disappointing so far, it is not true that Lance Kendricks is a bust. He has performed at a reasonable level so far.

2.) There is probably no way in Hades the Rams take a TE at #6 and pass on guys like Watkins, Evans or even T. Lewan.

3.) If all we are getting in a top ten pick is another TE I would much rather have stayed at #4 and taken either Matthews or Clowney.

4.) You have us trading down with Carolina and passing on M. Lee for a OLB like Shazier? I'm not sure how Shazier will stay on the field considering we are in nickel about 50+% of time and we have Laurinaitis and Ogletree as our 2 LBers in that formation. Who comes off the field in that defense?

5.) I like the philosophy of trading down - especially with a team like the Rams with multiple holes - but in looking at your mock it would have been better to just stand pat and take the players that were available.

6.) Exum makes sense in the 2nd round.

7.) No QBs before the 3rd round. Sam should be back before TC next year and Fish and he are surgically attached at the hip.

8.) Corner is a much larger need and Kyle Fuller would be the pick over Mettenberger, imo.

9.) I hope we got tremendous value for these trades because I ain't seeing much of it in the picks.

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I would absolutely hate that trade. We are not remotely in the position to trade away second rounders, there are way too many areas that still need addressing. In addition, it's pretty unrealistic, Gettleman doesn't appear the type to trade up. He's already stated his belief in acquiring many value players, rather than a few big name guys. He wouldn't even trade up to get Star, the number one overall prospect on our board last year.
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As a Lions fan I would love to get either Khalil Mack or Jordan Matthews (Or knowing Detroit, we would trade back into the first to get both!) Both mocked right after they pick.
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I could definitely live with Barr and Carr...Though I think Clowney would get the nod over Barr. We run a 4-3 and Peppers had the same questions about him coming out.

Carr is perfect in the second in this scenario, but his NFL Comparison isnt Colt McCoy by any means. He's at least another 2 if not 3 inches taller and has a way bigger arm
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I feel empty inside just reading his reasoning... plus I don't like the RB pick in the 2nd either...
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Pretty good picks for the Ravens. I think Watkins compares favorably to Torrey Smith so drafting him wouldn't add a new dimension to the offense but two guys like that with Flacco would be great. Brown, Doss, Thompson, and Mellette would round out the depth chart and I like that group a lot.

Purifoy is good in the second round. Corner is a need with Graham being a free agent and generally terrible. It's hard to count on Webb being healthy too.
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Yeah. I was thinking he's a guy that can project to both CB and S but I haven't looked at him much this season.
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Brown Leader, Geez where to start?? First off there is not much that I like in your mock concerning the St. Louis Rams. But let me list them in a random array.

1.) Though it is true that Jered Cook has been disappointing so far, it is not true that Lance Kendricks is a bust. He has performed at a reasonable level so far.

2.) There is probably no way in Hades the Rams take a TE at #6 and pass on guys like Watkins, Evans or even T. Lewan.

3.) If all we are getting in a top ten pick is another TE I would much rather have stayed at #4 and taken either Matthews or Clowney.

4.) You have us trading down with Carolina and passing on M. Lee for a OLB like Shazier? I'm not sure how Shazier will stay on the field considering we are in nickel about 50+% of time and we have Laurinaitis and Ogletree as our 2 LBers in that formation. Who comes off the field in that defense?

5.) I like the philosophy of trading down - especially with a team like the Rams with multiple holes - but in looking at your mock it would have been better to just stand pat and take the players that were available.

6.) Exum makes sense in the 2nd round.

7.) No QBs before the 3rd round. Sam should be back before TC next year and Fish and he are surgically attached at the hip.

8.) Corner is a much larger need and Kyle Fuller would be the pick over Mettenberger, imo.

9.) I hope we got tremendous value for these trades because I ain't seeing much of it in the picks.

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Okay. Maby Kendricks isn't a bust but he's not near where they expected him to be, right? His career high in catches for a game is 5. In part, that's why Cook was signed. But he's not what they envisioned either. They take Ebron, Kendricks can stick to full time FB.

Austin hasn't got going yet but I'd think it odd for them to go WR again after trading up for one-maby sign a vet but another rookie? And you know Fish doesn't go for the first round OLineman.

I haven't looked at Shazier a lot but I don't think he'd be a liability in coverage. He's just a great blitzer so he's used more that way.

I love Antoine Exum...or I did. And I thought the Rams could use better talent there, at SS or FS or even CB...no?

I think Sam has shown enough that they should be concerned whether he can really be the guy. This injury could be an excuse to get someone else ready. And they could use a better backup, anyhow.
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The disdain I see my Browns fans for Manziel reminds me of the backlash that the possibility of Cam Newton being a Brown wrought. They're about as night and day physically but they're similar in the way they polarize fans. I think Manziel's also going to be a lot more productive as a pro than most expect.

...unless you just really hated Richardson and Freeman. ;
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The disdain I see my Browns fans for Manziel reminds me of the backlash that the possibility of Cam Newton being a Brown wrought. They're about as night and day physically but they're similar in the way they polarize fans. I think Manziel's also going to be a lot more productive as a pro than most expect.

...unless you just really hated Richardson and Freeman. ;
I don't want our QB to polarize fans, I want him to understand his job is to get the ball to our weapons for them to polarize fans.

Look, I get it. Manziel is a captivating athlete. And if you're reasoning on trading up that high is that, it's absurd.

"Looks like Garcia, plays like Vick"

Yuk. Vick hasn't done squat in this league and has not progressed into a capable QB. Vick's style of play has done nothing but hurt the teams he's been on. He relies on his athleticism way too much and as a result can't stay healthy from all the hits he's taken. Occassionally he'll have a great game, but he can't put together a string of games, let alone play all 16. If you want to sell Manziel to Browns fans, come up with someone better career wise than Vick.
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Our offensive woes are a lot worse than the defensive, and by the statement you know I'll highly disagree with the pick. We have no consistent threat on offense except Pryor's legs and giving him a target like Watkins could open things up for everyone.
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I don't want our QB to polarize fans, I want him to understand his job is to get the ball to our weapons for them to polarize fans.

Look, I get it. Manziel is a captivating athlete. And if you're reasoning on trading up that high is that, it's absurd.

"Looks like Garcia, plays like Vick"

Yuk. Vick hasn't done squat in this league and has not progressed into a capable QB. Vick's style of play has done nothing but hurt the teams he's been on. He relies on his athleticism way too much and as a result can't stay healthy from all the hits he's taken. Occassionally he'll have a great game, but he can't put together a string of games, let alone play all 16. If you want to sell Manziel to Browns fans, come up with someone better career wise than Vick.
Well, I don't get it. "plays like Vick" wasn't meant to be flattering. But Manziel is a tremendous talent and it's not all athlete. He knows how to win and has pretty much carried his team in the SEC, going on two seasons, and he's improved this year. He's Fran Tarkenton now at A&M but I really don't think he's going to attempt to be the exact same guy in the pros. I think he'll adapt and tone down his game ...some.

Who knows if the FO will buy in to the guy but I think it's kind of simple. Browns need a talented QB. Manziel is (okay arguably) the most talented QB in college football and is almost assured of declaring. Given the way the Browns offense has looked with Hoyer and Campbell I'm salivating at the prospect of a serious talent back there. I like some other guys too but Manziel works for me as well.

And I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. Top ten for Manziel isn't out of the question. I think it's reasonable to project at this stage that he'll be available if they want him.
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Our offensive woes are a lot worse than the defensive, and by the statement you know I'll highly disagree with the pick. We have no consistent threat on offense except Pryor's legs and giving him a target like Watkins could open things up for everyone.
I like Rod Streater. And Moore's playing better than last year. Bryce Butler looked great in the preseason. I think if Pryor was better the WRs would look a whole lot better.
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I feel empty inside just reading his reasoning... plus I don't like the RB pick in the 2nd either...
Hey. What's wrong with Freeman!?
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Well, I don't get it. "plays like Vick" wasn't meant to be flattering. But Manziel is a tremendous talent and it's not all athlete. He knows how to win and has pretty much carried his team in the SEC, going on two seasons, and he's improved this year. He's Fran Tarkenton now at A&M but I really don't think he's going to attempt to be the exact same guy in the pros. I think he'll adapt and tone down his game ...some.

Who knows if the FO will buy in to the guy but I think it's kind of simple. Browns need a talented QB. Manziel is (okay arguably) the most talented QB in college football and is almost assured of declaring. Given the way the Browns offense has looked with Hoyer and Campbell I'm salivating at the prospect of a serious talent back there. I like some other guys too but Manziel works for me as well.

And I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. Top ten for Manziel isn't out of the question. I think it's reasonable to project at this stage that he'll be available if they want him.
No he's not. Teddy and Mariota are more talented. Manziel going in the top 10 would be laughable. It might happen cuz teams like to do stupid things. Him to the Browns will be glorious though. I laugh at the "he just wins" rhetoric. It's what people try to sell when they got nothing substantial and Manziel is not carrying TAMU all alone. He has the beast that is Mike Evans.

I like the IEO pick in the 2nd but Crighton in the first is a no for me. It would have to be Watkins at that point
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i'll never get the manziel hate. but whatever.

i like that you have richardson in the 1st. guy is a fantastic playmaker who'd get a lot more buzz if he hadn't made a terrible decision in where to go to school or if he hadn't been hurt all last season. i'm going to miss him next year.

for denver: i think DB is the overriding choice in the first, with champ being done and re-signing DRC not a done deal. that said, i can't imagine we do anything but go position-agnostic BPA at that point.
How bout the Broncos take Manziel to groom behind Peyton? Can have a QB battle between Manziel and Osweiler ;)
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No he's not. Teddy and Mariota are more talented. Manziel going in the top 10 would be laughable. It might happen cuz teams like to do stupid things. Him to the Browns will be glorious though. I laugh at the "he just wins" rhetoric. It's what people try to sell when they got nothing substantial and Manziel is not carrying TAMU all alone. He has the beast that is Mike Evans.

I like the IEO pick in the 2nd but Crighton in the first is a no for me. It would have to be Watkins at that point
I can break down Manziel's specific traits, good and bad, if you'd like but what I mean is that he plays winning football. Meaning, a combination of making critical plays in big moments and limiting mistakes.

I'd say Teddy and Mariota have more upside but I'm not sure I'd say they're more talented. Semantics, but with Manziel's skillset, he's doing more with less. Which I think makes him more talented.
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