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Old 01-04-2014, 08:03 PM    (permalink
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Luck has had so many clutch, late-game moments.
Quoted from November.
The guy has the clutch gene.
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Andrew Luck is the real deal. You're just slow if you haven't figured it out yet. It seems inevitable that he'll play in at least one Super Bowl.
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Luck is young and erratic, but he wins games.
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So did Tebow when he was in Denver.
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so did Vince Young!
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QB Wins? Done. There is no discussing anything anymore. We're all either right or we think we're right.
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QB Wins? Done. There is no discussing anything anymore. We're all either right or we think we're right.
3 years later, still jealous. Really?

And Jake Heaps for real?? In 2014?? Lol
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He's right. When you're discussing individual QB/Pitcher performances and some one brings up a team stat, the whole thing just got ********. Time to stop. Otherwise, Vince Young is one of the all-time greats.

PS- Smith outplayed Luck by a mile today
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He's right. When you're discussing individual QB/Pitcher performances and some one brings up a team stat, the whole thing just got ********. Time to stop. Otherwise, Vince Young is one of the all-time greats.

PS- Smith outplayed Luck by a mile today
While I agree, there is something to be said for quarterbacks who can consistently lead game winning drives without ****ing it up.
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Luck also doesn't have even half the years Smith has. So yeah...let's cluster together an established player with a developing one.
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I'm not saying that wins is the only stat that matters but it are the most important for a QB. Like it or not QB's are judged mostly on if they can win games, especially tight games. Luck has played pretty well for the most part and has shown the ability to lead comebacks and make crucial plays at the end of the game.
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I'm not saying that wins is the only stat that matters but it are the most important for a QB. Like it or not QB's are judged mostly on if they can win games, especially tight games. Luck has played pretty well for the most part and has shown the ability to lead comebacks and make crucial plays at the end of the game.
John Lester is better than Felix Hernandez because he has more wins too, huh?
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The anti Luck crowd just refuses to admit they're wrong. Baseball comparison?

Sometimes you're wrong about a player. It happens. No big deal and move on.

Alex Smith outplayed him BY A MILE? Lol what? Smith played a hell of a game and made a crucial mistake in crunch time. Luck played a hell of a game and made 3 bad mistakes, 40 great plays and two of the greatest clutch plays ever (hilton strike and fumble Td).

There's no question who's a better player in every qb trait there is. Smith is a good player but Luck is the type of guy who can lead his team to 45 points while accounting for 500 yards. If you didn't watch that game and come away impressed or realize now that he's truly special than you are so biased against him that nothing will change your stance, which is fine, but sad. Opinions can be fluid but people forget this because they'd rather prove they're right than learn anything or adjust a stance based on new info.

Tebow!!!??!!?? Vince young?!!?! I think Ccsd was joking at least... But come on nfldc
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He's no Jonathan Quinn at least, I think we can all admit that.
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Are you purposefully being dense? The comparison are made to attack the argument that wins should be attributed to QB's - not because people believe that Tebow and VY are as good of quarterbacks as Andrew Luck.
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The point is that their names have no place in the discussion. Especially in response to Neil's point. The colts win games mainly bc of luck. That's just a fact. Comparing his affect on a team to tebows or youngs is asinine.
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I'm not saying that wins is the only stat that matters but it are the most important for a QB. Like it or not QB's are judged mostly on if they can win games, especially tight games. Luck has played pretty well for the most part and has shown the ability to lead comebacks and make crucial plays at the end of the game.
Yeah, but a lot of the times those kinds of statistics still need to be viewed in context. Vince Young I think still has a winning record as a starter. But there is a reason why he isn't a starter anymore. John Elway I think has the most wins in the 4th quarter or something along those lines, but other guys never had their teams behind in the first place. And then that sentence leads into other discussions about team talent, etc. So it really does depend on the circumstance sometimes. I will say that most of the time good quarterbacks do have pretty impressive winning records though. Obviously that position can circumvent other weaknesses on a team if you get good production out of it.
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Point of the thread should of been game-managing is an important part of winning as an NFL QB and shouldn't be a slur.

Luck is smart with great fundamentals and the more experience should lead to knowing how to better handle in-game situations.

Smith has already been through the grinder years and minimizes risk.

Not doing that was Luck's problem in 2012.

He improved big on it in 2013.

Did Luck's ability to make key plays disappear? No. It was just holstered a bit more often because of circumstances.

Smith's key play ability is more limited than Luck when he does open it up.
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Point of the thread should of been game-managing is an important part of winning as an NFL QB and shouldn't be a slur.

Luck is smart with great fundamentals and the more experience should lead to knowing how to better handle in-game situations.

Smith has already been through the grinder years and minimizes risk.

Not doing that was Luck's problem in 2012.

He improved big on it in 2013.

Did Luck's ability to make key plays disappear? No. It was just holstered a bit more often because of circumstances.

Smith's key play ability is more limited than Luck when he does open it up.
What are you doing? Intelligent comments are not welcome in this thread.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:07 AM    (permalink
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It took his predecessor 5 seasons and 4 tries in the playoffs to get his first playoff win.
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Meanwhile,



HELLO!

Seriously, how cam people complain about Luck.. I'd GLADLY give up Bradford for 1/2 the QBs in the NFL.
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people has been giving bradford the most excuses since hes been in the league
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