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Old 04-05-2007, 07:00 PM    (permalink
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thats why i said FS. pola and reed are SS's
As is Rhodes.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:04 PM    (permalink
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Urlacher at middle linebacker, and I don't think I'm being a homer at all.

Who is second? Zach Thomas? Vilma? Right now I'd say Urlacher is leaps and bounds above either.

Then probably Bailey.
Funny, Barnett was left out of the conversaton!
I agree about Urlacher though.
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Im surprised no one mentioning Walter Jones. I think he is the best LT but I can't say with confidence.
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Funny, Barnett was left out of the conversaton!
I agree about Urlacher though.
Barnett isn't there yet.
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LaDainian Tomlinson

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No way. Steven Jackson is right there, if not better. LT had a WAY better o-line and defense. Not counting O-lines or defenses, I would take Jackson over LT any day.

It is easily Bailey.
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No way. Steven Jackson is right there, if not better. LT had a WAY better o-line and defense. Not counting O-lines or defenses, I would take Jackson over LT any day.

It is easily Bailey.
Are you dillusional? How can you say something so ridiculous? Jackson is not even the 2nd best runningback in the league.
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Could we throw coaches into this?
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:24 PM    (permalink
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I would agree with Champ Bailey at CB. Guys don't even want to throw the ball near him. To use one of our guys as an example, Asante Samuel doesn't get that kind of respect, which is exactly why he's able to capitalize so often and grab INT's...
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Could we throw coaches into this?
Maybe.

But the second anyone says Bellichick, I will shoot them down. So its not really relevant.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:28 PM    (permalink
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get job backing up your opinion with facts
Lets break down the 3 things a S does:

Run-Stopping:
Dawkins...I don't think i have to say anything about this....


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Reed....See above(Even tho Dawkins is really good)

So i guess it comes down to blitzing......



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Dawkins........Next year Dawkins will be 1 of only 2 DB's in NFL history to have 20(Sacks)/20(picks)(Barber being the other one). Reed gets less then 1 sack a year.







How are people putting Sean Taylor in with Dawkins and reed???? Taylor is very very overrated on this board. He allow more TD's then anyone in the NFL!!!! He can't cover!!!!
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Are you dillusional? How can you say something so ridiculous? Jackson is not even the 2nd best runningback in the league.
That sums up my thoughts. Jackson over Tomlinson? I would love to get a semi-cognoscente reason as to why, but I doubt I would get one.
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Maybe.

But the second anyone says Bellichick, I will shoot them down. So its not really relevant.
Bill Belichick is far and away the best coach in the NFL! :D :D :D :D
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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Lets break down the 3 things a S does:

Run-Stopping:
Dawkins...I don't think i have to say anything about this....


Covering:
Reed....See above(Even tho Dawkins is really good)

So i guess it comes down to blitzing......



Blitz:
Dawkins........Next year Dawkins will be 1 of only 2 DB's in NFL history to have 20(Sacks)/20(picks)(Barber being the other one). Reed gets less then 1 sack a year.







How are people putting Sean Taylor in with Dawkins and reed???? Taylor is very very overrated on this board. He allow more TD's then anyone in the NFL!!!! He can't cover!!!!
If only comparing players were as simple as splitting what they do into different categories and seeing who wins the most categories.
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Lets break down the 3 things a S does:

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Dawkins........Next year Dawkins will be 1 of only 2 DB's in NFL history to have 20(Sacks)/20(picks)(Barber being the other one). Reed gets less then 1 sack a year.

Its unfair to judge sacks between Reed and Dawkins due to the fact that in the Ravens defense Reed isn't given the opportunity to blitz due to the pass rush of our front 7 so its an unfair comparison.
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If only comparing players were as simple as splitting what they do into different categories and seeing who wins the most categories.
I know, it would be very nice......But Dawkins does everything better. But Cover and he's not that far behind!
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Antonio Gates or Champ Bailey
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QB: Peyton Manning
why-he just picks apart teams. In all the games i have watched him play (while not that many), he makes it look so easy out there.

RB: LT
no arguement there

WR: Calvin in a year or so ;)

DE: Peppers
DT: to many good
LB: Urlacher
CB: Bailey
S: Ed Reed
KR/PR: Devin Hester
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I know, it would be very nice......But Dawkins does everything better. But Cover and he's not that far behind!
How can you say he's a better blitzer when Ed Reed is never asked to blitz?

Ed Reed is also a *much* better cover safety.

Your argument makes little to no sense, with the only part that I might agree with you being the run stopping.
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This time last year I would have said Gates, but K2 is close.
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Funny, Barnett was left out of the conversaton!
I agree about Urlacher though.
I know you're only 15 so I won't give you a hard time, but Barnett isn't even a probowler yet.
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This time last year I would have said Gates, but K2 is close.
I already think K2 is the best.
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I already think K2 is the best.
So do I actually. I think he's leaps and bounds ahead of everyone except gonzo, heap, shockey and gates. But he's got all of the other guys strengths and none of their weaknesses.
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Wrong. Shawn Andrews, Chris Snee, Logan Mankins, and others would probably disagree with you.
LOL. I laughed.
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So do I actually. I think he's leaps and bounds ahead of everyone except gonzo, heap, shockey and gates. But he's got all of the other guys strengths and none of their weaknesses.
youre right he has his own injuries that they cant even touch :D

jk he is pretty good and will only get more dangerous as that offense gets stable
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I know, it would be very nice......But Dawkins does everything better. But Cover and he's not that far behind!
ok thats a better way to back an argument
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