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Old 11-20-2013, 02:46 PM    (permalink
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Remember when MassNole tried telling us all this wasn't a cover-up and Tallahasse police "HATE FSU PLAYERZZZ"? Well, here we are.
Because there are far more examples than one of them not protecting players.
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It's Lane Kiffin's fault^
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I can't justify the decision not to investigate Winston at all, but I didn't have any problems with what was said regarding the potential ramifications of accusing Winston, basically because everything that was said was 100% true. If someone is going to accuse the next big man on campus, they should be pretty damn confident in their accusation given the backlash that any doubt is going to bring on. It's simply not comparable to accusing some random student.
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Because there are far more examples than one of them not protecting players.
AAAAAAAAAnd there it is!

You're the worst type of homer.
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I can't justify the decision not to investigate Winston at all, but I didn't have any problems with what was said regarding the potential ramifications of accusing Winston, basically because everything that was said was 100% true. If someone is going to accuse the next big man on campus, they should be pretty damn confident in their accusation given the backlash that any doubt is going to bring on. It's simply not comparable to accusing some random student.
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AAAAAAAAAnd there it is!

You're the worst type of homer.
If you had any idea what you were talking about it would be one thing. You really don't. TPD has never been a friend to FSU football, ask Travis Johnson how rape charges with shoddy evidence end up. A kid losing a year of eligibility and an acquittal in 30 minutes.
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If you had any idea what you were talking about it would be one thing. You really don't. TPD has never been a friend to FSU football, ask Travis Johnson how rape charges with shoddy evidence end up. A kid losing a year of eligibility and an acquittal in 30 minutes.
Alright. You are the expert on the Tallahasse Police Department. Tell all of us know, on the record, how this one ends.
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JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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Alright. You are the expert on the Tallahasse Police Department. Tell all of us know, on the record, how this one ends.
Doubtful he gets charged at this point and next to no chance if he was he'd ever be convicted.
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Doubtful he gets charged at this point and next to no chance if he was he'd ever be convicted.
Alright, there it is. I respect it.
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Alright, there it is. I respect it.
Even if he is charged, the fact she took over one month to identify him as an assailant, the original description of her assailant didn't even remotely come close to describing him. alcohol was involved, and he has witnesses providing affidavits will make it impossible to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to mention she didn't want to go forward the first time, his attorney would absolutely destroy her as a fame ***** looking to cash in after his meteoric rise in fame.

If what the TPD officer said to her is true, it was wrong, but in the end is really practical advice that has become much more practical as Winston's celebrity has grown. Rape Shield laws aside she would eventually be identified and every little thing she has ever done will be under a microscope and her life will be ruined and if he is convicted there will never be that NFL signing bonus to go after in a civil trial. The most likely conclusion is that her attorney works out a private agreement with Winston and his attorney, charges are never filed, and once Winston becomes a millionaire he cuts her a check.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't pressure coming from higher up in Florida NOT to pursue charges if it isn't a slam dunk win after the way the state was nationally embarrassed in the Anthony and Zimmerman trials. This would nearly, if not more captivating given Winston's fame, and if they couldn't convict him it would be another brutal lump for the state to take.

Basically Winston's fame may help him escape charges but not because of a cover up instead because the state literally cannot take another PR nightmare, which would be inevitable.

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Doubtful he gets charged at this point and next to no chance if he was he'd ever be convicted.
Oh no worries guys, he has spoken...hes clean.
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lol got a little bit busier at work but I'll try to show face more often this week.

And did you see what they did to Geno Smith? Awesomeness.
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Most Florida State fans couldn't care less if he raped her as long as he keeps winning football games.

Also, the whole part about the detective's "helpful advice" leaves out the fact that he refused to collect DNA or interview anyone, but clearly Winston was tipped off by somebody since he hired an attorney months in advance. This is a kid given extralegal preferential treatment because he can play sports. Let's not act like it's anything else.

In addition, according to the family (which could of course also be lying) her bloodwork shows that she wasn't intoxicated. So that's fun.
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To which fan base would this not apply?
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To which fan base would this not apply?
Honestly? Most.

But I do appreciate you at least not pretending like you give a ****. I figured that since you pretend to be a lawyer you might.
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To which fan base would this not apply?
Ones that actually give a **** if someone raped a girl.

Idk about you, but I seem to think of those people as pieces of ****. I could give two ***** if they win football games or not.
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If what the TPD officer said to her is true, it was wrong, but in the end is really practical advice that has become much more practical as Winston's celebrity has grown. Rape Shield laws aside she would eventually be identified and every little thing she has ever done will be under a microscope and her life will be ruined and if he is convicted there will never be that NFL signing bonus to go after in a civil trial. The most likely conclusion is that her attorney works out a private agreement with Winston and his attorney, charges are never filed, and once Winston becomes a millionaire he cuts her a check.
Here's 2 obvious flaws in this logic:

1. If he did absolutely nothing wrong and wasn't involved in any way, why would he settle out of court and pay her a ton of money? That makes zero sense.

2. If she was actually assaulted/raped, she won't care if he has a fat NFL contract or signing bonus. So if its true she's coming forward later just to cash in, and by doing so is preventing Winston from cashing in, then why would she come forward later with the sole intention of cashing in?
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Honestly? Most.

But I do appreciate you at least not pretending like you give a ****. I figured that since you pretend to be a lawyer you might.
I care if there is enough evidence to press charges. If there is then I care if there is enough in which to convict him beyond any reasonable doubt. None of us know what happened that night and sadly from what has come out the accuser may not either. Until he is proven guilty I give him the same benefit of a doubt that I give everyone else.
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I care if there is enough evidence to press charges. If there is then I care if there is enough in which to convict him beyond any reasonable doubt. None of us know what happened that night and sadly from what has come out the accuser may not either. Until he is proven guilty I give him the same benefit of a doubt that I give everyone else.
If you knew he was guilty of raping that girl you would still not want him to be found guilty. You can twist the logic around however you want, but that's what it comes down to.
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If you knew he was guilty of raping that girl you would still not want him to be found guilty. You can twist the logic around however you want, but that's what it comes down to.
If there is enough evidence to actually convict him then no i don't. But I also remember the Duke Lacrosse case, Travis Johnson, and A.J. Nicholson where athletes lost eligibility based on false charges.
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Here's 2 obvious flaws in this logic:

1. If he did absolutely nothing wrong and wasn't involved in any way, why would he settle out of court and pay her a ton of money? That makes zero sense.

2. If she was actually assaulted/raped, she won't care if he has a fat NFL contract or signing bonus. So if its true she's coming forward later just to cash in, and by doing so is preventing Winston from cashing in, then why would she come forward later with the sole intention of cashing in?
1. Because unfortunately that's the way the world works.

2. As of this point she hasn't "cared enough" to come forward.
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If there is enough evidence to actually convict him then no i don't.
I don't believe this for a second and I doubt anyone else does either. That's why nothing you say on the matter has any merit. All you care is that he's able to play football for the team you like.
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