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Old 12-30-2013, 11:25 AM    (permalink
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Obviously I didn't watch any of Eastern Illinois full games, but everything I've seen in highlight packages indicates his small hands have absolutely no effect on his deep ball, which looked to be ridiculously on point.

Seems to have a solid release and good arm strength.

Urban Meyer said he was one of the best quarterbacks he had ever seen after watching film of the SDSU vs. EIU game.

Thoughts? Most scouts have him as a 4th or a 5th rounder, but I could absolutely see him going way, way earlier.
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He could go as high as round 2 but he'll need a huge adjustment period to customize to a much higher level of competition.
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I can't see Jimmy G going much later than the 2nd round. Hand size and level of competition are relatively arbitrary concerns; the rest is all there. Arm strength, accuracy, intangibles, etc.

If a coaching staff with strengths in QB development were to draft him, I think he could have a very bright future in the NFL.
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I think the Texans should pick him up in the top of the second. If they do indeed get Bill O'Brien, he will be unstoppable.
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Ha! Funny seeing this here. This is the first QB I've scouted this year. Looked at him because I heard that Phil Emery's been to EIU multiple times this season and it made sense that it could be for him.

I've only been able to get a hold of four games. Two were from last year. I checked out some interviews, too. What I saw:

-Averageish arm.
-Contrary to popular belief, DOES line up under center once in a while. Looks comfortable doing it, too.
-Good athleticism. He's no Russell Wilson, but he can definitely keep a defense honest by grabbing the easy first down on the ground if you let him.
-Sometimes looks composed, stepping up and moving around in the pocket like a pro to prolong a play...but once in a while feels phantom pressure and bails out, letting his mechanics go to hell with throws on the run all sandlot-style. This is when bad decisions happen, too.
-Accurate with decent touch. This is something that visibly improved over time.
-Ball does flutter sometimes. I guess that's the small hands thing showing...but he did do just fine in a bad-weather game, so I guess it's good enough to get it done.
-Goes through his progressions. He's not locked on to one guy at the snap. This was a problem early on, but in the two later games, it was gone.
-I'm not 100% sure that he's really 6'3".
-Appeared to be a vocal leader on the field.
-His release is already right up there with the best in the NFL. A+ with the quickness.
-Made easily-seen improvements over time. Definitely progressed a lot.
-In interviews, comes across as a humble team-first guy.
-Well-spoken enough, as he should be, coming from an upper-middle class suburb.
-Seems fairly intelligent, which I like, but also has a "bro" streak in him, which I hate. Honestly, how I feel about that doesn't matter because it'll probably fit right in in an NFL locker room.
-Has a stupid-sounding name.


TL;DR version:

Sam Bradford's arm, Aaron Rodgers' release, Jay Cutler's pocket presence/footwork/running ability..both the good and the bad. Would be a good fit for a WC offense.

It's easy to see him as an NFL starter, but there's the whole level of competition thing to take into account, too. Right now, I wouldn't storm the castle or anything if the Bears spent a second rounder on him and told me he's the QB of the future; I mean, I definitely like him a lot more than Manziel. Of course, it's early. That could change with more tape, reports from the Shrine game, combine, interviews, etc. If he blows up during the draft process, who knows? Maybe he could pull a Flacco by draft time. There are already rumors of some mystery teams seeing him as the third or fourth-best QB in the draft.

edit: forgot to say...sometimes he does that stupid little sidearm pass when it's unnecessary that Matt Stafford loves so much. I hate, hate, hate that.

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I think within the next few weeks Garropolo will begin to embody this phenomenon we see each year with at least one player - the guy who is obviously one of the better players in his draft class but that nobody is ready to put their reputation behind yet, where we all wait for some respected member of the field to say what we're all really thinking.

I think plenty of people feel like this kid will be a better pro than Manziel or Bortles but those people aren't going to surface unless he puts up a few really impressive workouts. Reality is that this is a weak QB class and with a few impressive workouts, this kid could take over the draft discussion.

If I had to pick a guy that would do it this year, a la Cutler in '06, it's this guy.
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I think within the next few weeks Garropolo will begin to embody this phenomenon we see each year with at least one player - the guy who is obviously one of the better players in his draft class but that nobody is ready to put their reputation behind yet, where we all wait for some respected member of the field to say what we're all really thinking.

I think plenty of people feel like this kid will be a better pro than Manziel or Bortles but those people aren't going to surface unless he puts up a few really impressive workouts. Reality is that this is a weak QB class and with a few impressive workouts, this kid could take over the draft discussion.

If I had to pick a guy that would do it this year, a la Cutler in '06, it's this guy.
I have to disagree, this is a strong QB class with lots of depth and top end talent. Not of the level of Luck or RG111 but just behind them and to make a dramatic move up won't be easy with so much talent currently ahead of him.

He's a kid with talent but no sure thing to take the next step and move up into round one contention. That would be a huge jump for him in this talented QB year. However, he is worth keeping an eye on to see how he handles say the Senior Bowl if he is invited, I didn't check for it. Could just as easily slip to round 4/5 as move up into round 1 discussion.
He's intriguing because it isn't everyday that a small school QB has talent.
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I think within the next few weeks Garropolo will begin to embody this phenomenon we see each year with at least one player - the guy who is obviously one of the better players in his draft class but that nobody is ready to put their reputation behind yet, where we all wait for some respected member of the field to say what we're all really thinking.

I think plenty of people feel like this kid will be a better pro than Manziel or Bortles but those people aren't going to surface unless he puts up a few really impressive workouts. Reality is that this is a weak QB class and with a few impressive workouts, this kid could take over the draft discussion.

If I had to pick a guy that would do it this year, a la Cutler in '06, it's this guy.
I agree with most of what you said but I don't believe it's a case of people being scared to back him right now. Until we see him competing next to other top prospects it's difficult to compare him to a guy like Manziel who has been dominating SEC defenses for the past 2 years. This is the same reason why no "respected members of the field" have fully endorsed him at this point. The upside of McCarron turning down his Senior Bowl invite is that it will likely go to Garropolo and we'll get to see him compete alongside the other top seniors. That's exactly the type of platform he needs to launch his draft stock.

I also agree that this isn't a very good QB class outside of Bridgewater. I don't think it's impossible for him to go mid-late first round with a strong offseason similar to Joe Flacco. The 2nd round is a more likely landing spot at this point though.
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Jimmy's strong points are, he's good size, excellent accuracy, quick release he is certainly a top 10 QB in this draft, he does lack arm strength.
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Had a really solid performance at the East/West Shrine Game.
9-14, 100 yards. Looked good all night. NFL.com has the story. Again - nothing except for a lack of elite arm strength tells me this kid can't climb the charts.

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Sam Bradford's arm
Anyone else who you would compare Garoppolo's arm to?

How's it compare to Matt Ryan for instance?
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I have a hard time comparing arm strength, unless it's elite arm strength or Colt McCoy like weak. I do think Garoppolo throws with good velocity. But his deep ball leaves a lot to be desired. So, I'm really interested to see how people compare him to other arms.
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I have a hard time comparing arm strength, unless it's elite arm strength or Colt McCoy like weak. I do think Garoppolo throws with good velocity. But his deep ball leaves a lot to be desired. So, I'm really interested to see how people compare him to other arms.
Good post. Unless the arm strength is either eye-poppingly amazing or obviously weak it shouldn't be a be all/end all when discussing QB prospects. Garropolo's release and ball placement are very good. Looking forward to watching him throw the ball around today at practice.
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I think Jimmy Garopplo is getting majorly slept on by the draft community. I think he's the #2 QB in this class behind Bridgewater.

When it comes to NFL success at the QB position, the most important traits are being able to deliver the ball accurately from the pocket, and the ability to read and react to a defense (assuming all the physical stuff tools are rhere). Jimmy has officially measured in at 6'2 225, and it's a pretty common conclusion that his arm strength is good enough for the NFL. With his ability to get the ball out quickly and accurately in the short, intermediate, and long range, he projects best to the NFL outside of anyone other than Bridgewater.

Bortles: Has a lot of good tools, but the hope is that he can develop accuracy from the pocket.

Manziel: has "rare instincts" which is a nice bonus, but you are hoping he can develop the ability to make reads more consistently.

Carr: if he pushes the ball deep or has to make a second read he struggles mightily.

The strength of competition and "system QB" arguments are pretty dead IMO because of him clearly being the best player in the east/west shrine game and practices and looking good at the senior bowl practices, and the small hands concern is mitigated with him doing so in very windy conditions. In addition, if an NFL caliber QB were put in FCS what more could he do to show it than throw for 50+ TDs and win that leagues Heisman? He's an obvious big fish in a small pond.

TL;DR: Garoppolo is the #2 QB in this class if you evaluate him on the important criteria for a QB and the strength of competition arguments are pretty void considering he measured well and performed well at the all-star games.

Even if he isn't the consensus #2 QB around, which I understand, he is still quite underrated. I think he could be taken in the bottom half of the first.
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I have him as my #3 QB in the class currently, but I don't think he'll go in the first. The combination of the lack of plus arm strength along with the level of competition he faced will default him into going no higher than the second, which is also still pretty good. Depending on how far Carr falls and where needs are, he may even drop to the third. But I love him. I just love that release and the mechanics, and he seems to have a better presence of mind than just about every QB in this class. As his arm gets stronger though, under the right circumstances, he's the type of guy that will show a lot of growth in year 2/3.
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I think Jimmy Garopplo is getting majorly slept on by the draft community. I think he's the #2 QB in this class behind Bridgewater.

When it comes to NFL success at the QB position, the most important traits are being able to deliver the ball accurately from the pocket, and the ability to read and react to a defense (assuming all the physical stuff tools are rhere). Jimmy has officially measured in at 6'2 225, and it's a pretty common conclusion that his arm strength is good enough for the NFL. With his ability to get the ball out quickly and accurately in the short, intermediate, and long range, he projects best to the NFL outside of anyone other than Bridgewater.

Bortles: Has a lot of good tools, but the hope is that he can develop accuracy from the pocket.

Manziel: has "rare instincts" which is a nice bonus, but you are hoping he can develop the ability to make reads more consistently.

Carr: if he pushes the ball deep or has to make a second read he struggles mightily.

The strength of competition and "system QB" arguments are pretty dead IMO because of him clearly being the best player in the east/west shrine game and practices and looking good at the senior bowl practices, and the small hands concern is mitigated with him doing so in very windy conditions. In addition, if an NFL caliber QB were put in FCS what more could he do to show it than throw for 50+ TDs and win that leagues Heisman? He's an obvious big fish in a small pond.

TL;DR: Garoppolo is the #2 QB in this class if you evaluate him on the important criteria for a QB and the strength of competition arguments are pretty void considering he measured well and performed well at the all-star games.

Even if he isn't the consensus #2 QB around, which I understand, he is still quite underrated. I think he could be taken in the bottom half of the first.
Two things raise red flags for me. At the Senior Bowl, he started out looking very good but as the game progressed, he started looking pretty average. The other serious question mark is his hand size, very few NFL QB's have a hand size as small as he does and little things like that get you down graded by NFL personnel. But, I'll say this, for the first couple of series at the Senior Bowl, he impressed the hell out of me, so there is some potential there.
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I have him as my #3 QB in the class currently, but I don't think he'll go in the first. The combination of the lack of plus arm strength along with the level of competition he faced will default him into going no higher than the second, which is also still pretty good. Depending on how far Carr falls and where needs are, he may even drop to the third. But I love him. I just love that release and the mechanics, and he seems to have a better presence of mind than just about every QB in this class. As his arm gets stronger though, under the right circumstances, he's the type of guy that will show a lot of growth in year 2/3.
What worries me is his hand size. Can he throw a ball harder or will his hand size limit his potential. I'm sure pro personnel people are asking the same questions.
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What worries me is his hand size. Can he throw a ball harder or will his hand size limit his potential. I'm sure pro personnel people are asking the same questions.
Are you saying we have not seen hands like his since Jon "Kitten Mittens" Kitna?
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I think Jimmy Garopplo is getting majorly slept on by the draft community. I think he's the #2 QB in this class behind Bridgewater.
It's possible for a quarterback from EIU to be an NFL starter. Tony Romo went to the same school. But how the hell can you put a I-AA QB ahead of Johnny Manziel, who lit up Alabama's defense two games in a row? Heisman, you must have attended Garropolo's school or you're his relative.
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It's possible for a quarterback from EIU to be an NFL starter. Tony Romo went to the same school. But how the hell can you put a I-AA QB ahead of Johnny Manziel, who lit up Alabama's defense two games in a row? Heisman, you must have attended Garropolo's school or you're his relative.
Trevor Knight lit up Alabama, is he valued as a first rounder too?

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. You obviously go to Texas A&M and slept with Johnny Manziel.
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Since Jimmy G put up better numbers against lower competition, whose to say he couldn't have blasted Alabama too if he went to Texas A&M? If you think I'm wrong that's fine but id like to know your line of reasoning rather than being accused of being a homer, etc when I have clearly spelled out points. I could very well be wrong but I prefer intelligent football discussion, that's why I come to this website

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You obviously go to Texas A&M and slept with Johnny Manziel.
In doing so, I found out that he's not as big in the pants as you would think.

Seriously though, I can understand you're wanting to show how you (somehow) know more than the draft analysts. But there's no way Garropolo gets drafted ahead of Manziel. That's what I go by in putting together my draft board. But is it possible that Garropolo has a better career than Manziel? Yes it is posssible. There were about five or six quarterbacks who were busts that were chosen ahead of Tom Brady. But for now, you have to consider Garropolo behind a few quarterbacks.

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In doing so, I found out that he's not as big in the pants as you would think.

Seriously though, I can understand you're wanting to show how you (somehow) know more than the draft analysts. But there's no way Garropolo gets drafted ahead of Manziel. That's what I go by in putting together my draft board. But is it possible that Garropolo has a better career than Manziel? Yes it is posssible. There were about five or six quarterbacks who were busts that were chosen ahead of Tom Brady. But for now, you have to consider Garropolo behind a few quarterbacks.
Hahaha looks like manziel is all talk then!

That's fair, I definitely don't think jimmy will be the #2 QB off the board. But career wise, I expect him to be second best quarterback to come out of this class
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