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David Carr has never been in a position to succeed until now. That's why.
Whatever team has had David Carr as their QB has never been in a position to succeed....until now (The Texans).
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How did Harrington have more steady coaching? Marty Mornigweg was a horrible coach and Steve Marriucci tried to stick a sqaure peg (Harrington) into a round hole (the West Coast Offense). David Carr gets all the excuses in the world. Nothing is ever his fault. He isn't any different from Harrington and everyone will see that after he fails in his second stop.
Steve Mariucci was a what before he became the coach of the Lions? A QB coach, an offensive coordinator. An offensive minded indivual who knew how to run an offense. 3 yrs. he worked with Harrington. Three yrs. he provided Harrington with better protection and better receivers than Carr ever had. Harrington was sacked less than half the time that DC was, yet missed more games. You wanna talk about incompetent coaching, after the season Carr threw for 3500 yds. (A stat Harrington hasn't come anywhere close to yet.) you know what the coaching staff did?

They decided to implement new protection scheme, those schemes weren't that good. You know what they did then, they scrapped those schemes after the pre-season and decided to improve on the fly. They failed, then you know what they did, they fired the offensive coordinator and promoted a guy who had no experience whatsoever with QB's to be the offensive coordinator. After that season they bring in a new coaching staff, a rookie coaching staff. Once again Carr is put on the spot and you know what he was the bright spot for a part of the season, but then o-line guys started going down, 3 starters gone by the end of the season, both tackles and center. You put any QB in that situation, I don't care if it's Manning or Brady or Palmer or whoever. They wouldn't have much success either. Now they let Carr walk to be fair to him and bring in a new QB without a history with them to start fresh and people think that automatically means Carr sucks?

There's a reason that Carr is with the Panthers and not Harrington, throughout their careers Carr has shown he has more potential.
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I think I'm going to let the panthers front office move history speak for itself.
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could the pathers move up in the draft? they can send there 11 and Jake Delhomme to the Lions? or to the Vikings?
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could the pathers move up in the draft? they can send there 11 and Jake Delhomme to the Lions? or to the Vikings?
Delhomme is their starting QB
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If we move up it'll probably be packaging our first with jenkins, or getting someone's 3rd or 2nd and using that to move up with our first for jenkins.

We won't need to though. We can sit tight and taken olsen or Nelson or Pouz or someone like that be happy.
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carolina doesn't know it yet, but their OL just got a lot worse...
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Put down the crack pipe.
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ok so here is a yes or no question -- have you watched every game of carr's career?

yeah i thought so...

quit talking out of your ass son...
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carolina doesn't know it yet, but their OL just got a lot worse...
Good one. Once Carr gets in the lineup, he will expose the holes in the OL with sack after sack.
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ok so here is a yes or no question -- have you watched every game of carr's career?

yeah i thought so...

quit talking out of your ass son...
Brutal huh? I've never seen a guy last this long with no clue as to the QB position. This Kubiak quote is a classic:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...26/0326/4.html

Disappointing Golden Boy of Houston football, Kubiak offered this gem: "You've been in the league four years and you make that throw? There is no way you can make a throw into coverage like that!''

When Kubiak first sat down with Carr to watch tape, he said, in so many words: Are you kidding me? You're an NFL quarterback, and you telegraph your throws so blatantly?

Yeah, this guy is NFL QB material. I've watched this idiot masquerade as an NFL QB for years now and he actually gets worse every year. Not statistically all the time but from an overall standpoint of giving the team a chance to be successful, he continually gets worse.
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Brutal huh? I've never seen a guy last this long with no clue as to the QB position. This Kubiak quote is a classic:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...26/0326/4.html

Disappointing Golden Boy of Houston football, Kubiak offered this gem: "You've been in the league four years and you make that throw? There is no way you can make a throw into coverage like that!''

When Kubiak first sat down with Carr to watch tape, he said, in so many words: Are you kidding me? You're an NFL quarterback, and you telegraph your throws so blatantly?

Yeah, this guy is NFL QB material. I've watched this idiot masquerade as an NFL QB for years now and he actually gets worse every year. Not statistically all the time but from an overall standpoint of giving the team a chance to be successful, he continually gets worse.
exactly...

he was actually a worse QB at the end of 06 than he was at the beginning of 02...

he still has the same problems and concerns as he had coming into the league, but at least he used to take shots down the field...

i hope carolina enjoys hitch passes and dumpoffs because that's 95% of what they're gonna see from carr...
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What we're going to see if a tough, mobile and accurate quarterback being coached to make better decisions.

OMG, what a bad Free Agency Move, to sign a guy who's got amazing physical tools and just needs a few tweaks in the mental side of the game... OMG what a **** idea, bring in a guy who's never had support from his offensive line, receivers or fans and maybe give him a chance to relearn his ability to go through progressions and make reads from behind a decent line...

Jesus, you guys are blantant haters of a guy who's still got a lot of potential. You're crying because kubiak didn't like his mental processes? He's never had an offensive line and his receivers have had butter fingers and concentration issues his whole career.

What we're talking about, what any Carolina fan is talking about is giving him a chance to sit behind a former probowler and very good QB in Delhomme and giving him a shot when Delhomme calls it quits and he's been able to relearn the mental side of the game through a very good staff.
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What we're going to see if a tough, mobile and accurate quarterback being coached to make better decisions.

OMG, what a bad Free Agency Move, to sign a guy who's got amazing physical tools and just needs a few tweaks in the mental side of the game... OMG what a **** idea, bring in a guy who's never had support from his offensive line, receivers or fans and maybe give him a chance to relearn his ability to go through progressions and make reads from behind a decent line...

Jesus, you guys are blantant haters of a guy who's still got a lot of potential. You're crying because kubiak didn't like his mental processes? He's never had an offensive line and his receivers have had butter fingers and concentration issues his whole career.

What we're talking about, what any Carolina fan is talking about is giving him a chance to sit behind a former probowler and very good QB in Delhomme and giving him a shot when Delhomme calls it quits and he's been able to relearn the mental side of the game through a very good staff.
i'll give you tough and mobile, but it's not hard to be accurate when all of your repertoire is dumpoffs and hitch passes...

anyway, i have no hate for the guy but the fact is that he gets a free pass because everyone thinks the ol was terrible when it wasn't...

i can't tell you how many times he would run out of bounds behind the los and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away...

he just isn't football smart...

there's a reason that when sage rosenfels stepped in, the ol all of a sudden looked good...

carr has no poise, desire to win, leadership, or intangibles...

best of luck to him and good riddance...
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i can't tell you how many times he would run out of bounds behind the los and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away...

he just isn't football smart...
Thats a sign of bad coaching... Dom Capers doesn't know how to nurture or train young quarterbacks and he's hindered the development of more than one over his career.

David Carr has never been in position to succeed, by the time Kubiak came there he was done. Kubiak had no intention of keeping him around to be the starter, that was blatantly obvious from day one. Those comments say to me that Carr hasn't ever had support of talented team mates and has never been coached to win.

You might say good riddance but I say welcome to a guy who's still a prospect with excellent attributes in every category except for his mental processes which need some minor tweaking... Which he should've gotten a long time ago. He's going to get that chance in Carolina spending a year on the bench getting coached, and learning from one of the leagues better QBs.
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David Carr has never been in position to succeed, by the time Kubiak came there he was done. Kubiak had no intention of keeping him around to be the starter, that was blatantly obvious from day one.
if that was so obvious, then why would kubiak choose to give him the 3 year option on his contract and not draft vince young when there was tremendous pressure in houston for him to do so?

looking at tape, kubiak thought the same thing that you thought -- that his problems are all mental...

after working with him, he gave up on him after 1/2 season, that has to tell you something...

-5 yards passing against the raiders should tell you everything else you need...

he should be a decent clipboard holder, but if he has to play, your season is over...
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Kubiak was putting him in another system, different to the ones he was in before and he didn't want to have to wait for Carr to unlearn the tendencies he'd picked up in another system when they had the cap room to change then.

Why didn't he take Young? Because young still hasn't shown he can be an effective passer and isn't a good fit for the WCO... All he can do at this stage is run and hit a couple of passes a game. He can't run a WCO.

The ideal situation for the Texans would've been to trade down, take leinart who'd be the best fit, or cutler and then draft whomever they wanted to fill other holes, like that offensive line.

When will you learn, Carolina is ten times the team that the houston texans is, our coaching staff is head and shoulders better, as is our front office. The team will find a way to make david carr successful. He could manage a game for us, with our weapons and our line and allow the defense and his support players to win the game, in Houston he never had that luxury.
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What we're going to see if a tough, mobile and accurate quarterback being coached to make better decisions.

OMG, what a bad Free Agency Move, to sign a guy who's got amazing physical tools and just needs a few tweaks in the mental side of the game...

Few tweaks? A complete overhaul is required and even that probably won't work. It was a bad free Agency move. The guy is no good and he has proven it. Holmgren wouldn't even take him over Seneca Wallace. That's how awful he is.

And he doens't have amazing physical tools. The ball comes out somewhat sidearmed and looks like he is throwing a shotput. You confuse hate with reality.
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Few tweaks? A complete overhaul is required and even that probably won't work. It was a bad free Agency move. The guy is no good and he has proven it. Holmgren wouldn't even take him over Seneca Wallace. That's how awful he is.

And he doens't have amazing physical tools. The ball comes out somewhat sidearmed and looks like he is throwing a shotput. You confuse hate with reality.
Im pretty sure that Seattle and Carolina both wanted Carr....and Carr chose Carolina....so dont let your David Carr hate change the facts....fact is that, he probably feels he has a better chance of playing in Carolina...and probably likes the weather better as well...
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i can't tell you how many times he would run out of bounds behind the los and take a sack instead of throwing the ball away...

Wow, I thought I was the only one on the planet that witness that extraordinary feat of David Carr. btw, that's the OL's fault. Just ask any Carr homer....if there are any left. One time I even went thru the play by play on NFL.com to prove the idiot did that. The homers said that was BS. Then when I produced the actual plays showing Carr running out of bounds for a loss, they disappeared.
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[quote=BlindSite;294041]Thats a sign of bad coaching... Dom Capers doesn't know how to nurture or train young quarterbacks and he's hindered the development of more than one over his career.

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A pea brained QB knows to throw it away right before you step out of bounds. Has nothing to do with coaching. If you are too stupid to throw it away, no coach is going to fix that. What's he going to do? say 'hey, next time, throw it away before you step out of bounds' Um....he shouldn't even need to. Even so, odds are that they said that to bonehead and he continued running out of bounds.

Now on Kubiak, he really thought he could fix carr, thus the payment of $8 mil. He quickly realized that the guy is flat out bad and very likely dumb. He shipped out a loser and went in a different direction. A great move.
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When will you learn, Carolina is ten times the team that the houston texans is, our coaching staff is head and shoulders better, as is our front office. The team will find a way to make david carr successful. He could manage a game for us, with our weapons and our line and allow the defense and his support players to win the game, in Houston he never had that luxury.
Meaningless as far as fixing david carr. You will find that out. Unfortunately, Delhomme is going to be benched at some point in 2008 and things are quickly going to get worse. Steve Smith will revolt after about 3 carr QB'ed games.
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Im pretty sure that Seattle and Carolina both wanted Carr....and Carr chose Carolina....so dont let your David Carr hate change the facts....fact is that, he probably feels he has a better chance of playing in Carolina...and probably likes the weather better as well...
He chose Carolina BECAUSE Holmgren said he was going to be the #3 QB in Seattle. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which team Carr would choose.

And yes I hate incompetance. David Carr is incompetant on the football field.
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Meaningless as far as fixing david carr. You will find that out. Unfortunately, Delhomme is going to be benched at some point in 2008 and things are quickly going to get worse. Steve Smith will revolt after about 3 carr QB'ed games.
Why is Delhomme going to be benched? Last year our offensive line lost its starting left tackle and centre for the year and mike wahle was never healthy. So three key cogs were out for a good portion of the year. Delhomme also got hurt for four games. The guy's a good QB a year with injuries to himself and the offensive line removed from the probowl and the NFC championship.

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He chose Carolina BECAUSE Holmgren said he was going to be the #3 QB in Seattle. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which team Carr would choose.

And yes I hate incompetance. David Carr is incompetant on the football field.
He chose carolina because he believed the front office and coaching staff here would put him in the best position to succeed. Thats it.

If you want to say Seattle would've made him their third QB, then prove it.
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Why is Delhomme going to be benched?
Just hide and watch buddy. It's gonna happen. The fans are going to call for Carr because they are mostly clueless. Then Dehomme is either going to serve up a couple of ugly INT's OR the team is going to lose some games it should ahve won. Once that happens, the writers will start the QB controversy and eventually Carr will find the #1 QB spot. It will be the mistake that costs Fox his job as the scapegoat for the NFL's Teflon Don (David Carr). He will fail of course because he totally sucks but it will happen this year. You can bank on that.
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