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Old 02-05-2014, 12:03 PM    (permalink
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Will be interesting to see which direction the niners go with 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. (3 of the top 60) Several options.

Consolidate picks to move up.
Trade for future picks.
Stand Pat.

Not sure exactly what their needs are going forward but have to think maybe RB, DB, WR, overall depth.
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It's interesting really. I think the most obvious thing would be to go get a top WR to compliment Crabtree, but the depth at WR is the strength of this draft. A defensive lineman could be worth moving up for like Hageman. Or they could stay pat and take BPA.

I don't think they have enough holes to not move up or move a pick for a future pick.
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Browns Rams and 9ers should have the 3 most interesting drafts. They will probably be moving all over the place on draft day.
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I could realistically see a scenario where both the Rams and Browns have 3 first round picks.

Rams should trade 2 for an early 2nd and future 1st along with the 1st this year (say Atlanta or Tampa). That gives them for example 6, 13 and approx 40. Then if they move back again from 13 to around 20 they would have 3 2nds. I could see them moving back into the end of the 1st again.

Browns already have 2 1sts and unless they move up for Teddy or another QB then they are another team I could see moving up slightly into the end of the first.

Rams could go OT, DT and S
Browns could go QB, WR and whoever they want
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Browns Rams and 9ers should have the 3 most interesting drafts. They will probably be moving all over the place on draft day.
Maybe even do some business with each other.

The Niners, i would think, probably have to think about eventually replacing guys like Whitner, Boldin, Gore and Justin Smith.
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The ol' "good team with extra high picks" draft. I think SF should go the NE route and go after future picks (again). They are good enough and their scouting and development is good enough to not have to package a bunch of those picks to trade up a really significant number of spots (ala Atlanta for Julio Jones).
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The ol' "good team with extra high picks" draft. I think SF should go the NE route and go after future picks (again). They are good enough and their scouting and development is good enough to not have to package a bunch of those picks to trade up a really significant number of spots (ala Atlanta for Julio Jones).
I don't see them doing that huge move in the draft. My guess is there may be an area or two where they think the right picks can put them on top in the division. I'm thinking a Jeremy Hill if he's there early or one of the better corners in the draft.
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Now isn't the time to package picks and move back again. We have 13 draft choices. Not a ton of holes to fill. If we were Oakland it would be a different story. If we came away with two legitimate starting players that were gamebreakers I would be thrilled. Whatever it takes. I wouldn't mind giving a ton to get in position to take Sammy Watkins. One thing is for certain, and that is Trent Baalke can't completely whiff on his draft picks like he did in 2012.
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Maybe even do some business with each other.

The Niners, i would think, probably have to think about eventually replacing guys like Whitner, Boldin, Gore and Justin Smith.
Whitner is the most glaring.

Its yet to be seen what Quinton Patton can do at WR.
Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial, and Lawrence Okoye at DE.
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The Niners, i would think, probably have to think about eventually replacing guys like Whitner, Boldin, Gore and Justin Smith.
Isn't Tank Carradine slotted to replace Smith? I like the 49ers, but I was a little bummed when SF drafted him, because he's such a prototypical 4-3 DE. Regardless, he's going to be a stud. If it weren't for the injury, he should have been the first defensive player off the board last year.

They almost have to draft a WR in the first two rounds - given the talent at the position and their need to upgrade opposite Crabtree. RB also makes sense, but that position is relatively thin - in terms of physical, 20-carry guys, and Miami is drafting Jeremy Hill at 19, so . . .
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Whitner is the most glaring.

Its yet to be seen what Quinton Patton can do at WR.
Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial, and Lawrence Okoye at DE.
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Isn't Tank Carradine slotted to replace Smith? I like the 49ers, but I was a little bummed when SF drafted him, because he's such a prototypical 4-3 DE. Regardless, he's going to be a stud. If it weren't for the injury, he should have been the first defensive player off the board last year.

They almost have to draft a WR in the first two rounds - given the talent at the position and their need to upgrade opposite Crabtree. RB also makes sense, but that position is relatively thin - in terms of physical, 20-carry guys, and Miami is drafting Jeremy Hill at 19, so . . .
Not sure the Niners have room for all those picks. Some fancy footwork is probably going to be needed to get some picks for next year along with improving this roster.
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12 picks & the reality of no more than 5 players actually making the team its either: trade up to get the difference makers you want or trade out for future picks

I'd be stunned if they stayed put & draft where they are currently slotted
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12 picks & the reality of no more than 5 players actually making the team its either: trade up to get the difference makers you want or trade out for future picks

I'd be stunned if they stayed put & draft where they are currently slotted
I concur. Although as a Seahawks fan, I'm rather envious of Baalke's ability to successfully plow picks into multiple future early picks. San Fransisco is the very best at winning trades by driving hard bargains.

San Fransisco really needs a successor for Justin Smith. He can't play forever and he is absolutely essential to their defense. I'd consider him their most indispensable player on that side.
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In the last draft, the Niners picked up a few players who were injured at the time, but who should contribute next season (notably Tank Carradine and Marcus Lattimore). This takes care of some of their future needs. However, they definitely need defensive backs. Carlos Rogers will almost certainly be cut, and Donte Whitner, Tarell Brown and Eric Wright are all free agents. Luckily for them, this draft is deep in cornerbacks, but I'm not as impressed with the safeties. It will be interesting what they do there.

Beyond that, the most glaring need is probably at wide receiver. Again, this seems to be a position of some depth in this draft. I expect the Niners will draft two cornerbacks and two wide receivers at some point. Beyond that, they may go for BPA, and they will probably stockpile some picks for next year. They have shown that they're good at that.
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I could realistically see a scenario where both the Rams and Browns have 3 first round picks.

Rams should trade 2 for an early 2nd and future 1st along with the 1st this year (say Atlanta or Tampa). That gives them for example 6, 13 and approx 40. Then if they move back again from 13 to around 20 they would have 3 2nds. I could see them moving back into the end of the 1st again.

Browns already have 2 1sts and unless they move up for Teddy or another QB then they are another team I could see moving up slightly into the end of the first.

Rams could go OT, DT and S
Browns could go QB, WR and whoever they want
For the Rams I'm leaning toward wanting to stay at #2 and selecting an elite prospect, and using the 13th pick for the trade down piece.

I think San Fran is in a great position, they should move up and take a guy like Evans or Watkins, that team would be scary.
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Now isn't the time to package picks and move back again. We have 13 draft choices. Not a ton of holes to fill. If we were Oakland it would be a different story. If we came away with two legitimate starting players that were gamebreakers I would be thrilled. Whatever it takes. I wouldn't mind giving a ton to get in position to take Sammy Watkins. One thing is for certain, and that is Trent Baalke can't completely whiff on his draft picks like he did in 2012.
Totally disagree. With few holes, and big extenstions to hand out to the likes of Aldon and CK, extenstions that will significantly hamper our ability to address needs in future years, the prudent thing to do would be to stockpike picks to for 2015 and beyond. We will be very tight against the cap for the forseeable future. Free agency wont be a option to address needs for the most part. The cheapest and most reliable formula to staying revelant and replenishing the talent of guys we wont be able to retain, is through the draft. That's how the core of the team was built. That's how it must remain. If you put everything into this draft....swing for the fences and miss, you set the franchise back at least 3 years IMO. And with a draft this deep at seemingly every position of need for us, Baalke would be crazy to not take advantage of the opportunity. Not saying we won't be wheeling and dealing. But I think we'll be sellers more than we are buyers. Very similar to last year's draft.
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I think San Fran will possibly take 2 options, trade up for a better pick and/or dump picks for future picks. There is zero sense in staying put and drafting all those prospects. I think it is quite possible that they try to move up to the early 20's or maybe even the late teens and for sure, I expect them to try to trade picks for future picks.
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I'd be stunned if they stayed put & draft where they are currently slotted
Yeah I think this is pretty much a consensus amongst 49er fans that the 49ers are very likely to move up to that 18-22 area, much like they did last year. Out of the 5-6 picks we have in the top 100 (Still not sure what our comp pick will be from losing Goldson to free agency), I see the 49ers giving one up to move up in the 1st round and also trading one for an additional pick next year. So we we probably draft 3-4 players in the top 100.
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For the Rams I'm leaning toward wanting to stay at #2 and selecting an elite prospect, and using the 13th pick for the trade down piece.

I think San Fran is in a great position, they should move up and take a guy like Evans or Watkins, that team would be scary.
I like your thinking but no one else really wants Evans I would love Evans next Crabtree and Boldin then TE if needed. he would have to drop into the teens for it to be possible. Watkins I don't see getting pass the Ravens or Lions same goes for Evans but it could happen.
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This was something I was thinking, too. think he's going to go earlier than some people think.
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They're essentially drafting for what they'll need to battle Seattle, so I would say they should look into fortifying the run game, protecting Kaep, and improving the pass rush, whether that's moving up or not.
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I don't see them doing that huge move in the draft. My guess is there may be an area or two where they think the right picks can put them on top in the division. I'm thinking a Jeremy Hill if he's there early or one of the better corners in the draft.
I highly doubt RB is that much of a priority. Gore will be back. Hunter is a solid back-up and Lattimore will be completely healthy and ready share some of the workload. That's should be more than enough.
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I think it'd be very smart for SF to draft Hill. You can argue that when they match up, the disparity between Lynch and Gore is one of the key deciding factors. I love Gore. But at this point in his career, he's excelling via vision and instincts - as opposed to physical dominance (like Lynch). Seattle's D hits Gore harder than he hits them; the opposite is true in Lynch's case. Lattimore is very physical, but we don't know what he'll look like coming off of that injury. Hill would give them a physical presence at RB that narrows that gap. Also, Seattle has two 220 lb horses (Turbin and Michael) sitting behind Lynch. SF has much smaller back in Hunter and James. As much as SF wants to run the ball (which I love), they should prioritize the position.
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SF needs to fill holes at CB, SS, WR, and Center before thinking about adding a 6th RB. Besides Gore, Hunter, and Lattimore there is still LaMichael James who hasn't been doing much but he's still occupying a roster spot and also Anthony Dixon who handles our short yardage.
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I seeing the 49ers adding a HB somewhere in the mid rounds even though they have a lot of bodies. I don't know the 49ers/Gore's cap situation but is there any chance that get cuts?
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