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Old 02-09-2014, 09:52 PM    (permalink
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The only reason I don't care for the announcement is because it'll surely take away from the discussions about players and their abilities, which is what the draft is all about. ESPN is having a party tonight - that's for sure.
ESPN is just going to make the entire thing worse. I can already see it.
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There's a football team here in New York. They seem to like making moves that get them on the sports page. Even when those moves don't particularly make sense. It's also as though the owner enjoys it when the circus is in town.

I think that team is now one of the frontrunners to draft him.


And I'm not talking about the Giants.
If Michael Sam can play TE or WR, then by all means.

But we need offense just more than defense though if he's around by round 4 and can operate as a 3-4 OLB, then by all means....

We're gonna sign Vick as our "Hype" move of the offseason. Ugh.
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I don't think he's asking to be celebrated. He wanted to be the one to tell people what his sexual orientation was, not some new outlet or reporter, and I can't blame him for that. He's not making a big deal out of it at all. He said he's a football player and he just wants to play football in the interview. It's a story because he's going to be the first openly *** athlete to play in a major American professional sports league.

This isn't in the news and a story on ESPN because people want to celebrate the fact that Michael Sam is ***, it's in the news and on ESPN because it's a historic moment. He's doing something that no one has ever done before. He just wants to be the person to let the world know who he is, not the media.

Edit: Seriously, the word *ay is censored on this forum?
I wasn't talking about Michael when I was talking about being celebrated, I meant that in general. Same kinda thing with women's rights, and other movements that clamor for equality but want a special platform.

Sorry if this is too political, I don't mean it to be a negative thing, just my own little soapbox.
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It's a shame Jeff Ireland is no longer an executive at the combine...
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The only reason I don't care for the announcement is because it'll surely take away from the discussions about players and their abilities, which is what the draft is all about. ESPN is having a party tonight - that's for sure.
Yeah, because ESPN is going to spend the whole 3 days of the Draft breaking down the fact that Michael Sam is ***.

Chris Berman: "Ok, so the Texans have selected Teddy Bridgewater with the #1 pick, but enough about that. Let's head over to our Michael Sam is *** Breakdown War Room. Over to you, Mel!"

Mel Kiper: "Thanks, Chris! Let's spend a few hours talking about how Michael Sam announced he is *** back in early February! I like Sam because I think he can play in a 3-4 or a 4-3. And also he's ***."
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This will be a major story for about a week. And he'll have random special segments about him for a while. But will his sexuality be a daily discussion topic by the start of the season? Absolutely not. The Tebow comparisons are completely off. Perhaps he's comparable to Te'o, but Te'o hasn't been a distraction in SD, at least as far as I'm aware..
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Having a fake girlfriend and being *** are not equal. If you don't think this is going to be a big story all offseason, you have way too much faith in ESPN. His first practice, first game, first sack will all be talked about as the first ever by a *** player. If he plays well or if he plays horribly, First Take will ask whether it's because he is ***.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sam is invited to the draft and a huge deal is made when he eventually is drafted. Goodell usually only announces first round picks but I'd be surprised if he doesn't presonally announce Sam's selection.
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Michael Sam isn't going to New York for the draft. Overall, there's more sensationalizing going on in this thread than there will be in the media.
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Tebow hasn't played in basically two years and he is still talked about at least weekly. And you really think the ESPN won't sensationalize the first openly *** NFL player?
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Guess what? If you don't like ESPN and the way they present their stories, you can turn the TV off.
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The fact that this is a big deal is just an embarassment for pretty much the entire world. We live in a world dull of douchebaggery.
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Tebow hasn't played in basically two years and he is still talked about at least weekly. And you really think the ESPN won't sensationalize the first openly *** NFL player?
Nope.Tebow was a star recruit at QB. He was a star player on a national title winning team. He took over the starting job, won the Heisman and another national title. He was a first round pick. He had a number of miraculous plays while starting.

On the other hand, Michael Sam is a likely second to third round draft pick at DE with little national attention who happens to be ***.
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Good for him to have the guts to come out publicly like that. Coming out is difficult as it is without a possible media frenzy around you.It will be interesting to see how much ESPN ect over cover this. Also how are his coverage skills? Could he be a 3/4 OLB or is he strictly a 4/3 end?
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It's going to be a big story, and it should be. It's about damn time someone felt in or coming to the NFL felt comfortable enough to come out. It's a big deal. The problem is that there isn't much to report, so the stories will be extended longer than they should be, and they'll become tedious. Doesn't mean it's not a big deal.
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It only makes sense if the Jets are planning to move him to OLB. He definitely is not going to play the 5 technique.

I wish him all the best.
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Honestly glad this is over, the fact that people are making it a story is just stupid to me. He's not the first in the NFL, there've been many, but this one is going to get publicized, and good for him whatever. People want equality, but want to continue to 'celebrate their differences' It's like, enough already. If you swing that way cool, go about your business and get it done on the field. No one is going to care unless you bring drama to the locker room...

Anyway, sorry to sound negative about it, it's just such a double standard to me. Yes, let's be equal, except celebrate me because I'm different...

I hope this promotes absolutely 0% difference in where he's drafted, don't need him sliding down the draft boards because of this, that'd be terrible.
When he's drafted, he will be the first openly *** player in the history of the NFL...but you think it shouldn't be news?

When humans land on Mars for the first time, are you going to say "jeez, we get it...just go about your business flying through space and stuff...enough already"?
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This should be all over the news. Having an openly homosexual athlete in the NFL is a huge story as it haven't happened before. Atleast not from what I recall. I'm happy to see people support Sam, and while I think he will drop or be removed from some draft boards, I hope other teams will see the value in him as a player and as a person, who can be a rolemodel for other young athletes.

Announcing that he has a boyfriend is pretty well timed, as there are plenty of time for teams and players in the league to have a discussion about how to handle the media circus/lockerroom challenges having Michael Sam on the team would bring. A lot of "positive" stories from Mizzouri coaches, staff and players can gain attention in the media and help makes this less sensational and "news" come draftday, training camp and so on.

Cheers to Michael Sam, this move took courage.

And btw. I played with a homosexual for several years, not one time did he rape me, put a finger in my butt or did anything unprofessionel whatsoever. I can't see what everybody is so afraid of.
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So apparently the team new for a while.
Often what happens with people who are homosexual, their family and friends know before they do. It was the same way with my older brother, my mom knew well before he said anything.

I'm not getting on a soapbox and going on a long rant, but I'll say this: if you think Sam is a lesser person because he's homosexual, you're wrong. If you believe Sam should be given more credit because he's homosexual, you're wrong. If you think we do not need to celebrate this moment of courage, you're wrong. You guys can figure out the rest for yourselves, if you even care to, which is why I don't feel like going on a rant. Too many people already have a set belief and refuse to understand the other side.

I hope he goes to a team in the AFC North though. I have a few friends that love to get as loud as I do during the games, and I can't wait to hear the first person yell after a Sam sack, "He just r@ped that guy!!!" I'll die laughing.
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I don't think he's asking to be celebrated. He wanted to be the one to tell people what his sexual orientation was, not some new outlet or reporter, and I can't blame him for that. He's not making a big deal out of it at all. He said he's a football player and he just wants to play football in the interview. It's a story because he's going to be the first openly *** athlete to play in a major American professional sports league.

This isn't in the news and a story on ESPN because people want to celebrate the fact that Michael Sam is ***, it's in the news and on ESPN because it's a historic moment. He's doing something that no one has ever done before. He just wants to be the person to let the world know who he is, not the media.

Edit: Seriously, the word *ay is censored on this forum?
Try Rudy Cool.

For those that watched his interview, it is apparent that he just wants to be the one to let people know and that it's really a back burner. During the interview, you know how much he talked about his sexuality? Very little. I think I heard his whole life story and then he was like, "and so yeah, all of Mizzou knows I'm ***."
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3rd to 7th rounder? Does anyone really see Sam falling out of the 4th at worst?
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The majority of the people in the world are racist, sexist, homophobes that believe in god. Apparently these views make one feel better about their insignificance.
Are you trying to make me depressed? :)

But I get what you are saying, and I agree. The fun thing is, that of all the stuff that I've seen tolerated in my 10 years playing football, a guy being *** would not rank very high on a list. Unfortunately, I could also see guys I played with, who would not be able to handle it, or handle it very well. By coincidence, these players would also be the ones, who themselves demanded a higher grade of tolerance from their teammates.

On a positive note - I can't think of a single coach I have ever had, who would make this an issue in any way. As long as the person showed up for training, put in the work and effort and produced on the field, the coaches would be happy.
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