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Old 02-12-2014, 11:36 PM    (permalink
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Do they both think Houston is really going to pass on a QB and go with Schaub again. I don't think so. They both have Manziel as the #1 QB but I wonder if both Jacksonville and Cleveland prefer him because he can sell tickets and tons of merchandise, giving each team a huge revenue boost. Of course, Cleveland is likely to trade with the Rams for the #2 pick and take Manziel ahead of Jacksonville.
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Do they both think Houston is really going to pass on a QB and go with Schaub again. I don't think so. They both have Manziel as the #1 QB but I wonder if both Jacksonville and Cleveland prefer him because he can sell tickets and tons of merchandise, giving each team a huge revenue boost. Of course, Cleveland is likely to trade with the Rams for the #2 pick and take Manziel ahead of Jacksonville.
No, Jacksonville is getting Bridgewater if he falls.

Wins sell tickets
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No, Jacksonville is getting Bridgewater if he falls.

Wins sell tickets
Your right, wins does sell tickets as well, but Manziel merchandise sales will go through the roof adding millions to the team's revenue pool. Bridgewater won't come close to matching Manziel's sales. Also, it may still take 2 or 3 years for both teams to become winners and during that time, Manziel will sell a lot more tickets than Bridgewater. Remember, GM's get fired for 2 things, failure to win and failure to generate revenues, without wins, revenue will enable the GM to keep his job for a # of years and hence, Manziel has an appeal to both GM's and to both owners. The fact is that money/jobs often talks on draft day and Manziel can solve those problems for a worried GM.
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I like how they both alude to Bortles #1, but then go with Clowney. I know everyone gushes over his athletic gifts, but after what he's pulled this year, I don't see how a team can feel comfortable taking him top 10. Oh well. After seeing HOU hire UCF's QB coach I think it's almost settled who they're taking.

I find it funny that everyone seems to dismiss the idea of the Rams taking a QB. Do people really think Bradford is good enough to warrant that? On that turf, in a division with supremely athletic defenses, I would take Manziel in a heartbeat if he's there. Fits for their HC, too. They can take a big WR or OT with their second 1st.

Love the Ebron pick, hate the Lee pick the more and more I see it.
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Your right, wins does sell tickets as well, but Manziel merchandise sales will go through the roof adding millions to the team's revenue pool. Bridgewater won't come close to matching Manziel's sales. Also, it may still take 2 or 3 years for both teams to become winners and during that time, Manziel will sell a lot more tickets than Bridgewater. Remember, GM's get fired for 2 things, failure to win and failure to generate revenues, without wins, revenue will enable the GM to keep his job for a # of years and hence, Manziel has an appeal to both GM's and to both owners. The fact is that money/jobs often talks on draft day and Manziel can solve those problems for a worried GM.
He also can get his GM put out on the street in 2-3 when a team is picking for 1st overall.

Ticket sales and all that is over blown. The common denominator to a team selling out jerseys, tickets and merchandise is winning.

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Revenue sharing means all Manziel's merch sales get shared around the league not to the team that drafts him.
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There are legit reasons to prefer Bridgewater to Manziel, but there are also legit reasons to prefer Manziel, and they have nothing to do with pimping him like he's Tim Tebow.

To disregard Manziel as a prospect says to me that you didn't really watch him in 2013. I can see questions about durability - though his frame should hold up better than Bridgewater's, assuming he's not asked to run a lot of read/option (which he shouldn't be).

Bridgewater is more consistent throwing the ball from 1-10 yards than Manziel, but Manziel is more accurate throwing the ball beyond 10 yards, and the throws the ball down the field with more frequency. It will depend on what type of offense you want to run. If you're an offense that wants to throw a lot of quick, underneath stuff, Bridgewater is probably a better fit (short term, anyway). If you're looking to run an offense that relies on chunk yardage in the passing game, Manziel is probably your guy. The level of competition should also be noted.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...conundrum?pg=1

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The biggest difference between the two lies in Manziel's ability to take off and pick up chunk yardage as a runner
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There are legit reasons to prefer Bridgewater to Manziel, but there are also legit reasons to prefer Manziel, and they have nothing to do with pimping him like he's Tim Tebow.

To disregard Manziel as a prospect says to me that you didn't really watch him in 2013. I can see questions about durability - though his frame should hold up better than Bridgewater's, assuming he's not asked to run a lot of read/option (which he shouldn't be).

Bridgewater is more consistent throwing the ball from 1-10 yards than Manziel, but Manziel is more accurate throwing the ball beyond 10 yards, and the throws the ball down the field with more frequency. It will depend on what type of offense you want to run. If you're an offense that wants to throw a lot of quick, underneath stuff, Bridgewater is probably a better fit (short term, anyway). If you're looking to run an offense that relies on chunk yardage in the passing game, Manziel is probably your guy. The level of competition should also be noted.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...conundrum?pg=1

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Bridgewater excels 11-25 aswell, his only issue is 30+ go or nine routes where he can overthrow the ball. If their is a hitch in the route like a post he is fine.

In the NFL it's far more important to be accurate 0-20 than anything as that's where 90% of throws are made. That's where QB's make there money.

Offensive in this day and age are rarely built around deep passing. That was more the early years of the NFL where it was run to the 50 yard line then start taking your shots down the field.

The NFL is not just a passing league these days but pretty much a short passing league.
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There are legit reasons to prefer Bridgewater to Manziel, but there are also legit reasons to prefer Manziel, and they have nothing to do with pimping him like he's Tim Tebow.

To disregard Manziel as a prospect says to me that you didn't really watch him in 2013. I can see questions about durability - though his frame should hold up better than Bridgewater's, assuming he's not asked to run a lot of read/option (which he shouldn't be).

Bridgewater is more consistent throwing the ball from 1-10 yards than Manziel, but Manziel is more accurate throwing the ball beyond 10 yards, and the throws the ball down the field with more frequency. It will depend on what type of offense you want to run. If you're an offense that wants to throw a lot of quick, underneath stuff, Bridgewater is probably a better fit (short term, anyway). If you're looking to run an offense that relies on chunk yardage in the passing game, Manziel is probably your guy. The level of competition should also be noted.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...conundrum?pg=1

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Run and chuck??

throw to open guy??

Manziel is geno smith in a maroon uniform, I heard the same stuff from Geno/WV people
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Run and chuck??

throw to open guy??

Manziel is geno smith in a maroon uniform, I heard the same stuff from Geno/WV people
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Bridgewater excels 11-25 aswell, his only issue is 30+ go or nine routes where he can overthrow the ball. If their is a hitch in the route like a post he is fine.

In the NFL it's far more important to be accurate 0-20 than anything as that's where 90% of throws are made. That's where QB's make there money.

Offensive in this day and age are rarely built around deep passing. That was more the early years of the NFL where it was run to the 50 yard line then start taking your shots down the field.

The NFL is not just a passing league these days but pretty much a short passing league.
I think that's a recipe for losing and implies that you're throwing the ball a good deal more than you're running it. The best teams in the NFL are running teams, and they throw the ball deep at a higher rate than the teams that are throwing it 40+ times a game.
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I take back my comments from the previous thread. Before attempting to compile any type of analysis, take a comp class.
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You should take back your analysis as well.
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It is interesting they have Clowney at No. 1. I still think they will go with Clowney, but wouldn't be surprised with a QB.

It's going to be funny when Clowney runs a 4.51 at 270 pounds and everyone on this board is going to say "how can you not take him No. 1 now!?!?!" after calling for a QB since the season ended.
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It is interesting they have Clowney at No. 1. I still think they will go with Clowney, but wouldn't be surprised with a QB.

It's going to be funny when Clowney runs a 4.51 at 270 pounds and everyone on this board is going to say "how can you not take him No. 1 now!?!?!" after calling for a QB since the season ended.
Clowney wants to run sub 4.5

around 4.45 or less

Thats crazy
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It is interesting they have Clowney at No. 1. I still think they will go with Clowney, but wouldn't be surprised with a QB.

It's going to be funny when Clowney runs a 4.51 at 270 pounds and everyone on this board is going to say "how can you not take him No. 1 now!?!?!" after calling for a QB since the season ended.
Clowney could run a 4.4 flat and I'd still feel Bridgewater would be the better pick.
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I think that's a recipe for losing and implies that you're throwing the ball a good deal more than you're running it. The best teams in the NFL are running teams, and they throw the ball deep at a higher rate than the teams that are throwing it 40+ times a game.
You can run alot and still make throws in the 10-20 range, deep passing is just not a high percentage play.

One of Griffins great strengths in college was his deep passing one of the best ever at the level. Every week was a deep bomb completed for a TD. Building an offense around that in the NFL is not going to work. You might throw one or two deep bombs a game but the rest is going to be in the 0-20 range.
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He also can get his GM put out on the street in 2-3 when a team is picking for 1st overall.

Ticket sales and all that is over blown. The common denominator to a team selling out jerseys, tickets and merchandise is winning.

Doesn't matter who or how
That explains why Cowboy jerseys are the #1 sellers in the NFL. Also to a GM, 2 or 3 years is a lot better than 1 year. Of course, they have to become winners to keep their jobs in the long run but in the short term, drafting a guy who can generate revenue gets you those 2 or 3 years and nobody is saying that Manziel cannot be a successful NFL QB.
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It is interesting they have Clowney at No. 1. I still think they will go with Clowney, but wouldn't be surprised with a QB.

It's going to be funny when Clowney runs a 4.51 at 270 pounds and everyone on this board is going to say "how can you not take him No. 1 now!?!?!" after calling for a QB since the season ended.
I don't care how successful Clowney is, you simply cannot win in the NFL without a franchise QB. Every GM know that fact. Clowney might give you 8 or 9 wins a year but that is his limit, a franchise QB gives you the potential to go to the Super Bowl.

IMO, there is no way in hell that the owner will allow his GM to pass on a QB for Clowney. Not if he has any interest in a winning franchise.
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That explains why Cowboy jerseys are the #1 sellers in the NFL. Also to a GM, 2 or 3 years is a lot better than 1 year. Of course, they have to become winners to keep their jobs in the long run but in the short term, drafting a guy who can generate revenue gets you those 2 or 3 years and nobody is saying that Manziel cannot be a successful NFL QB.

Actually, a lot of people are.

Manziel is a huge risk. That's not even accounting for the fact that he's an entitled douchebag.

Some players are so obviously not NFL caliber QB's, and I dunno why people keep falling for some of them.
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I don't care how successful Clowney is, you simply cannot win in the NFL without a franchise QB. Every GM know that fact. Clowney might give you 8 or 9 wins a year but that is his limit, a franchise QB gives you the potential to go to the Super Bowl.

IMO, there is no way in hell that the owner will allow his GM to pass on a QB for Clowney. Not if he has any interest in a winning franchise.
Things that are overlooked with this very myopic and overwhelming sentiment in the draft community this year.

1) Finding a franchise QB is not limited to drafting one with a top 5 pick (3/12 2013 playoff teams took their QB in the top half of round 1, and none of the final four teams drafted their QB in the top 5)

2) There is a possibility that the team drafting does not believe any of these QBs are franchise QBs OR value them similarly to guys they can get at No. 33 or on a trade up.

3) Clowney is the best defensive prospect of this generation. This idea always gets discarded because "BUT... BUT... it doesn't matter unless you have a QB." What if it does actually matter? What if pairing Clowney with Watt gives you the best DL in football... or in history? That "doesn't matter." It surely would matter.
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There were a total of 4 teams that threw the ball 40+ times a game. 2 made the playoffs. How many times a team throws has a lot to do with variables like how often they have a lead late in the game. Every team wants to play it safe and run a lot, but that's harder to do when you're playing from behind. Also, when you have a QB like Brees or Manning and your RBs are not great, you're gonna tend to throw more.
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Finding a pro-bowl defender is not limited to drafting one in the top 5. How many top 5 defenders does Seattle have? The last time they drafted a defender in the top 5 was Aaron Curry, the "can't miss defender" of the 2009 Draft. Every year people love to say things like "You can get a QB after the first round". I'd like to know what position you can't get after the first round. I wasn't aware that there's a rule against drafting DEs after round 1.
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Actually, a lot of people are.

Manziel is a huge risk. That's not even accounting for the fact that he's an entitled douchebag.

Some players are so obviously not NFL caliber QB's, and I dunno why people keep falling for some of them.
Bingo,

Although I think Manziels off season issues are over blown, he seems like pretty decent kid.

Its his play on the field that has me worried
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