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Old 02-18-2014, 02:38 PM    (permalink
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The interior blockers this year are well below average. I don't know what you guys are talking about. At least 1 guard goes in round 1 usually and there are barely 2 worth taking in the first two rounds.

As far as centers go, lol. It's not good. Maybe you guys think there is a lot of good value in rounds 3-5, but if teams are drafting interior OL in round 1 and 2, they're going to regret it this year. There are FAR more talented positions in the draft this year.
It is still quite amazing how many All Pro OC's come from round 3.
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It is still quite amazing how many All Pro OC's come from round 3.
Mike Webster pick #125 pretty much backs up that claim.
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How does Mayock usually fare when evaluating QBs? I respect his opinion in general, but usually I mostly pay attention to his defensive rankings, and I find myself disagreeing a lot with this top 5..
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How does Mayock usually fare when evaluating QBs? I respect his opinion in general, but usually I mostly pay attention to his defensive rankings, and I find myself disagreeing a lot with this top 5..
2008: Nothing out of the ordinary
2009: He had Sanchez over Stafford and Pat White as the 4th QB.
2010: That QB year sucked. Had Bradford on top.
2011: Gabbert over Newton. He had Dalton 5th which is higher than most I remember.
2012: Nothing out of the ordinary.
2013: Had Manuel, Nassib, and Barkley in the 40s overall. Geno was 21st.

Sanchez over Stafford and Gabbert over Newton are the glaring mistakes. Everything else is pretty standard. In 2006, he did have Cutler as his top QB. You can judge that track record however you desire.
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2008: Nothing out of the ordinary
2009: He had Sanchez over Stafford and Pat White as the 4th QB.
2010: That QB year sucked. Had Bradford on top.
2011: Gabbert over Newton. He had Dalton 5th which is higher than most I remember.
2012: Nothing out of the ordinary.
2013: Had Manuel, Nassib, and Barkley in the 40s overall. Geno was 21st.

Sanchez over Stafford and Gabbert over Newton are the glaring mistakes. Everything else is pretty standard. In 2006, he did have Cutler as his top QB. You can judge that track record however you desire.
Thanks for the info. As I said, I generally respect Mayocks opinion about prospects.
I'm just not sold on Manziel, who is my 4th ranked QB, but not in the same tier as the first 3 on my list, and his ranking is more a statement as to how little I think of the names behind him on the list.
Carr doesn't even crack my top 5.
In general I'm not very excited about this QB class at all.
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I've paid almost no attention to the draft this year; there are names in the second rounds of some mock drafts that I've never seen before. That said, I find it incredibly hard to believe that there are 4 better running backs than Tre Mason.
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Shouldn't Donald be the #1 DT?
Due to his size he is very scheme limited. He cant play in a 3-4. And he is likely going to succeed most at the 3 tech alongside a good block eating nose tackle.
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I think fredder is all over Seastrunk. My top five would be:

Hill
Hyde/Carey
Mason/Seastrunk

I think there's a drop off from Hill to the next four and another drop off after them.
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Seastrunk is the most frustrating prospect I've watched in this draft...

I could easily see him being the best back from this class. However, it's just as likely that he becomes the next David Wilson and struggles to establish himself as a true feature back.
David Wilson is what I see, too.
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If the team that drafts him just embraces what he is rather than try to drastically change him or pigeonhole him into their offense like the Pats did with Vereen, Seastrunk could be really, really good.

He needs to show some proficiency in the passing game, but if he can do that, he's totally someone I'd want in my RB rotation.
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If the team that drafts him just embraces what he is rather than try to drastically change him or pigeonhole him into their offense like the Pats did with Vereen, Seastrunk could be really, really good.

He needs to show some proficiency in the passing game, but if he can do that, he's totally someone I'd want in my RB rotation.

Well, Baylor throws the ball a lot and he should have been much more involved, his lack of production screams out, I cannot catch the ball to me. We'll see at the Combine.
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This is the part I like best in Mayock's comments:

4. Deepest draft in a while
Mayock's thoughts on the depth of overall talent in the draft were strong. "Deepest and best draft class I've seen in probably 10 years," he said. "I had a GM tell me the other day that having a top 20 pick this year is like having a top 10 pick last year. There are some positions that are stacked, where you can get a quality player through three or four rounds."
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Just about every analyst cannot stop raving about Timmy Jernigan.

I am a firm believer when there is smoke there is fire, and when there is lots of smoke there is a big fire.

I trust Mayock more than any other draft writer.
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I've paid almost no attention to the draft this year; there are names in the second rounds of some mock drafts that I've never seen before. That said, I find it incredibly hard to believe that there are 4 better running backs than Tre Mason.
The RB position hasn't quite sorted itself out yet at this point. There are at least 3 guys who I believe you can make a case for being the #1 guy and Tre Mason is one of them. If we're ignoring Jeremy Hill's character concerns I think it's hard to argue against him being the most talented RB. Assuming Hill's character concerns push him down the board a bit I think the discussion becomes Carlos Hyde vs. Tre Mason. Personally I prefer Tre Mason. Carlos Hyde obviously has great size but Tre Mason is such a hard guy to bring down. He doesn't seem to have great speed but he's very quick and has great balance. It's easy to understand why he gets compared to Ray Rice as a runner.

It does seem like Tre Mason has been the forgotten man since the offseason started. His stock soared during his dominant stretch to end the season but it seems to have cooled off now. I can understand people having Hill and Hyde above him but, like you, IMO there aren't 4 better backs in this draft than Mason.
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The RB position hasn't quite sorted itself out yet at this point. There are at least 3 guys who I believe you can make a case for being the #1 guy and Tre Mason is one of them. If we're ignoring Jeremy Hill's character concerns I think it's hard to argue against him being the most talented RB. Assuming Hill's character concerns push him down the board a bit I think the discussion becomes Carlos Hyde vs. Tre Mason. Personally I prefer Tre Mason. Carlos Hyde obviously has great size but Tre Mason is such a hard guy to bring down. He doesn't seem to have great speed but he's very quick and has great balance. It's easy to understand why he gets compared to Ray Rice as a runner.

It does seem like Tre Mason has been the forgotten man since the offseason started. His stock soared during his dominant stretch to end the season but it seems to have cooled off now. I can understand people having Hill and Hyde above him but, like you, IMO there aren't 4 better backs in this draft than Mason.
Mason's problem is his size, it screams out, he cannot be an every down RB and those who can be will be drafted ahead of him. I believe the RB crop lacks that great prospect, but it is a very deep class with lots of talent. Mason could well turnout to be the best among them but on paper his size is a deterrent and his speed is being questioned. If he lacks the speed to run outside, even if he is a great cutback runner, it means most of his runs will be between the tackles and that doesn't bode well given his size.
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If Kadeem Carey runs well, expect him to get into Mayock's top 5. A.Williams and Sankey don't belong in there, imo.
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Mason's problem is his size, it screams out, he cannot be an every down RB and those who can be will be drafted ahead of him.
Mason is reportedly up to 210 pounds. At ~5'9 and that weight, the size thing is extremely overblown...especially when you look at his running style (low center of gravity, forward lean means he almost always falls for more yardage). His body deflects contact extremely well which is why he was able to carry the ball as many times as he did week to week without ever looking slowed.
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The thing that bugs me about Mason is, in Malzahn's offense, if you watched the holes he ran through against Missouri, he wasn't doing anything special to get those yards. He reminds me of Boom Herron talent-wise. Not sure he'd be a feature back, guys like him are a dime a dozen and can be found in the middle rounds of every draft. Doesn't have the shiftiness o or the breakaway speed of elite NFL backs his size. He's not Rice or MJD quality from what I see.
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If Kadeem Carey runs well, expect him to get into Mayock's top 5. A.Williams and Sankey don't belong in there, imo.
I like Carey a lot too. The only question mark on him is, can he pass block.

Pass blocking is going to be the deciding factor for most of these RB's, if they can be decent pass blockers they will move up, if they cannot, they'll nosedive.
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The thing that bugs me about Mason is, in Malzahn's offense, if you watched the holes he ran through against Missouri, he wasn't doing anything special to get those yards. He reminds me of Boom Herron talent-wise. Not sure he'd be a feature back, guys like him are a dime a dozen and can be found in the middle rounds of every draft. Doesn't have the shiftiness o or the breakaway speed of elite NFL backs his size. He's not Rice or MJD quality from what I see.
Watch him in 2012 when he played in the abortion that Loeffler/Chizik called an offense (112th in scoring, 115th in yardage). 1,000 yards and 5.9 ypc despite playing behind a below-average OL and no quarterback.

There is nothing special about his long speed but his burst is underrated. Dont be surprised to see him run in the 4.4 range at the Combine.
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I just can't see Hageman edging up as the 4th DT. ferocious prospect.
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He's another Wilkerson IMO
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I just can't see Hageman edging up as the 4th DT. ferocious prospect.
Agreed. His technique is still pretty raw but if you were to list the prospects by how good they could ultimately be I don't think it would be crazy for Hageman to rank 2nd behind Clowney.
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It is interesting that Stephon Tuitt didn't make the top 5 DEs and below both Crichton and Murphy.
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