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Old 02-21-2014, 05:51 PM    (permalink
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Robinson vs Matthews and Lewan vs. Martin should be a couple of good duos to watch.

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But when Long comes back, then what? Robinson goes to RT? Long goes to RT? These are important questions. They just invested a lot in a long-term (in today's NFL 3 years is a long time) LT. Investing the No. 2 pick in the draft in the same thing might not be the smartest use of resources. Unless they're comfortable locking up both tackle spots with top-end resources. Which you could talk me into.

Looking at the contracts though, they could cut Jake Long in 2015 and save 8mil and only have 2.5 in dead money.

I guess you just take Robinson and let things play out. Long hasn't played RT in years, if ever though, so what happens if you plug Robinson in there, he flourishes, then Long comes back midseason and doesn't have a spot?

A lot to consider. Injuries suck.
Yep, definitly a lot of different scenarios to take into consideration. I'm obviously not Les Snead, but here is my take on it:

- Yes, it is a lot of ressources to invest in one position, but I think there are some mitigating circumstances. Firstly, teams in general seem to place higher value on the RT position nowadays, and RTs are expected to better pass blockers than previously. Today an RT will have to protect his QB from pass rushers like JJ Watt, Von Miller and others, who line up on that side of the field. So RT is growing into a, in lack of a better word, premium position in its own right.

- Given how the Rams seems to want to stick with Bradford, and how many ressources they have invested in giving him weapons to throw to, they might want to switch their focus to giving him the best possible protection.
By all accounts, Roger Saffold will have a nice pay day in free agency, and picking Robinson at #2 might not cost them that much more salary-wise. (Im no expert on the new rookie wage scale, so if this is completely false, my mistake.) Especially considering how Robinson, if he lives up to his potential, will be quite a significant upgrade over Saffold.

- As you say, they can cut Long fairly cheap next year. Making it a lot less risky situation for the Rams. If Long doesn't return to his previous level of play, it is not the end of the world for them, and they still have a bright young star in Robinson.

- Finally, the Rams' extra first round pick makes it an even less risky choice to pick Robinson at #2 imo.
Assuming that the Rams have no interest in selecting a QB or Clowney, the drop off in the quality of player they can get at another position isn't that great.
Thereby the Rams won't forego nearly as much value by picking Robinson over another player, because they will be able to get a high quality prospect at #13, compared to having to wait to the middle of the second round before making another selection.

- As far as the who-should-play-where part of it, I cant give you an honest answer. Thats up to the coaches. I don't know if Long can adapt to playing on the right side, but I think he has some of the tools to play over there. I also think that Robinson would be an absolute stud as an RT. So I could see it working out one way or another.
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Jeremy Hill supposedly has 10 3/8" hands. My god.
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I really wish there were some master spreadsheet of all combine data from past years.

I'm curious now if any TE (or even WR) with 9" hands has had success (Jace Amaro).
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John Elway just referred to Johhny Manziel as "a great little player"... I lol'd.
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That great little player is a top 4 lock in my mind, perfect fit in the already distinctional Browns organization. Houston had a tough choice between the top 3 QBs, it's all depending on what O'Brian wants to do and history would point to Bridgewater or Bortles
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I really wish there were some master spreadsheet of all combine data from past years.

I'm curious now if any TE (or even WR) with 9" hands has had success (Jace Amaro).
FootballsFuture has the information going back through 2009. I'm not sure how useful that is because it's only a few years, but just google "footballsfuture combine [year]"
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Benjamin weighing 240 is alarming for me. There's no way that was his goal weight.
4% body fat...
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Troy Niklas is probably the most complete TE this year. What a giant of man playing TE.
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Not targeting this as much at you as I am the world who ate this up. He tweeted this himself, let's take it with a grain of salt please.
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I'm remember being surprised when Calvin Johnson showed up at the combine at 239. I briefly thought he was too damn big, then he ran a 4.35 and had a 42" vertical jump, and I thought maybe his size wouldn't be a problem.

Of course, this guy is no Calvin Johnson, but you guys get my point.
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I really wish there were some master spreadsheet of all combine data from past years.

I'm curious now if any TE (or even WR) with 9" hands has had success (Jace Amaro).
Hand size is irrelevant if you can catch the ball.
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I really wish there were some master spreadsheet of all combine data from past years.

I'm curious now if any TE (or even WR) with 9" hands has had success (Jace Amaro).
You mean, how many with big hands have sucked? Brandon Pettigrew has 10-1/4" hands and has stone hands. Same with Jared Cook.

Tyler Eifert had 9-1/8" hands. 1/8" isn't much difference.

Catching the football has more to do with concentration and technique.

Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews have some of the biggest hands, yet have drops issues.
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Robinson's the man. Think you'll see him really distance himself from Matthews in the coming weeks - speaking of the general perception of the prospects.

But how about Tiny with 36 reps and 35 inch arms? Underrated player, imo. He's not going to jump Robinson or Matthews, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him be the third OT off the board. As a Miami fan, I'd much rather have him than Martin or Kouandjio at 19.
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Also, Jeremy Hill coming in under 6'1 should relieve some of the concerns about him being too tall.
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The first and last prospect I could remember being in that category was Julius Peppers.
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John Elway just referred to Johhny Manziel as "a great little player"... I lol'd.
Wow. When I heard that Elway made that comment, I was a little shocked he would be so outwardly dismissive of a pro QB prospect because of his height.

Is Elway projecting his thoughts after getting crushed in the SB by a great little player??

After seeing firsthand what Russell Wilson and the Seahawks did to the Broncos, you think Elway would be a believer in 'great little player(s).'
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4% body fat...

This is what a WR looks like with 4% BF.



Kelvin Benjamin is not that lean or ripped. He's not fat, but 3-5% BF is like a pro BB.

His teammate Telvin Smith is probably under 5% BF, and Benjamin is nowhere near that lean.

Benjamin will be lucky if he runs a 4.5/4.6. If he runs in the 4.4 range it will be one of the biggest surprises at the combine.
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I'm remember being surprised when Calvin Johnson showed up at the combine at 239. I briefly thought he was too damn big, then he ran a 4.35 and had a 42" vertical jump, and I thought maybe his size wouldn't be a problem.

Of course, this guy is no Calvin Johnson, but you guys get my point.
Well there you go. I honestly did not remember any WR (other than the slow borderline TE types) weighing in at anything higher than low 230s.

Clearly I didn't remember Johnson's combine weight.

So maybe I was off about that not being his goal weight. If he runs below a 4.55 at 240 then I don't care. But if he's over a 4.6 you have to question his speed transition a little bit or possibly his work ethic to not get his weight down for the combine.
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You mean, how many with big hands have sucked? Brandon Pettigrew has 10-1/4" hands and has stone hands. Same with Jared Cook.

Tyler Eifert had 9-1/8" hands. 1/8" isn't much difference.

Catching the football has more to do with concentration and technique.

Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews have some of the biggest hands, yet have drops issues.
No, I actually don't. That doesn't prove anything. I'm also not trying to prove anything.

I simply asked a question. Wasn't jumping to any conclusion.
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Well there you go. I honestly did not remember any WR (other than the slow borderline TE types) weighing in at anything higher than low 230s.

Clearly I didn't remember Johnson's combine weight.

So maybe I was off about that not being his goal weight. If he runs below a 4.55 at 240 then I don't care. But if he's over a 4.6 you have to question his speed transition a little bit or possibly his work ethic to not get his weight down for the combine.

Vincent Jackson 6'5 241 4.46 40
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Kouandjio was much less explosive than I thought. That should probably take some hands out of the pot (not everybody's going to care, but some teams would.)
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Kouandjio was much less explosive than I thought. That should probably take some hands out of the pot (not everybody's going to care, but some teams would.)
He looks horrible at everything do far. Also, he looks like he lacks confidence.
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