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Old 03-05-2014, 08:19 PM    (permalink
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What do you think of Borland?
Borland is a freak...he is good at everything he does. Long football career for this guy.
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What do you think of Borland?
Borland is an absolute stud. He's very quick, incredibly instinctive and has a nose for the football. As a linebacker against the run I don't know if there is anybody I would take over him. He's a solid tackler and is extremely effective stripping the ball to force fumbles. Despite his size he sheds blocks very well.

He is disciplined enough to get by in coverage, but his lack of size and long speed hurts him if he's asked to cover man-to-man down the field. He is a great blitzer, as well. As a freshman he made a big impact as a situational pass rusher.
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You guys think he's 1st round worthy? I put him in the first a month ago and caught some flack for it.
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You guys think he's 1st round worthy? I put him in the first a month ago and caught some flack for it.
I'd be surprised if he's taken in the first, but it only takes one team to fall in love. Early on I was hoping the Packers could grab him late as a steal, but it seems the secret is out after he shined at the Senior Bowl. I'm guessing 2nd-3rd is more realistic because he isn't the athletic freak that teams seem to want if they spend a 1st round pick on a linebacker.
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You guys think he's 1st round worthy? I put him in the first a month ago and caught some flack for it.
Based on traditional draft analysis...no.
Based on my belief that he'll start for years and years...yes.
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Borland has star written all over him. One of my very favorite defensive prospects in this class in this class
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It would be very surprising if he goes before the 3rd for his type of LB testing the way he did. But as long as he gets into the right system, he'll be quite the steal at whatever point he does get drafted.
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It would be very surprising if he goes before the 3rd for his type of LB testing the way he did. But as long as he gets into the right system, he'll be quite the steal at whatever point he does get drafted.
I agree. He doesn't have the necessary physical make up to deserve a first round pick. 3 months ago he was a 4th/5th round pick.

He is an amazing talent. I have him on my draft list, but he is there because he was more of a sleeper. The cat seems well out of the bag now. So i can see a late 3rd round. However, using a second round or higher suddenly sets expectations that probably exceed his abilities.
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Borland is too limited athletically. He is one of the those 2 down LB and thumper style that is a dieing breed in the NFL because the way the passing game has evolved. If any team is asking him to be more then that they will be burned hard.
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Shazier supposedly ran a 4.36 40 this morning (then dinged a hammy).

Huge grain of salt with OSU's pro day times. Always seem to be .1 seconds faster than Indy.
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Shazier supposedly ran a 4.36 40 this morning (then dinged a hammy).

Huge grain of salt with OSU's pro day times. Always seem to be .1 seconds faster than Indy.
Did he weigh in again? If he ran that time at the almost 240 he was at the Combine, that's interesting.
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At the Scouting Combine, Carey was one of the slowest running backs to run, clocking at 4.70 seconds in the 40-yard dash. At Arizona’s Pro Day Carey wasn’t much better: According to NFL.com, Carey ran the 40-yard dash in 4.68 and 4.69 seconds.

During the on-field drills, Carey worked out at wide receiver, not at running back. Carey did line up in the slot at times in Arizona’s offense, and perhaps he thinks he has a better chance of making it in the NFL as a slot receiver than as a running back.
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I'd rather have a slow RB than a slow WR personally.
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Stanley Jean Baptiste got his 40 under 4.5 which of course was expected as pro day times usually are faster than combine. Even if you go with the mid 4.5 times he's still an excellant athlete as evidenced by his broad jump and vertical. Would fit in that Richard Sherman mold pretty well.

Taylor Martinez showed he's a 4.4 guy. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a shot at WR.
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Shazier supposedly ran a 4.36 40 this morning (then dinged a hammy).

Huge grain of salt with OSU's pro day times. Always seem to be .1 seconds faster than Indy.
He's pretty much a 4.4 guy which is off the charts as it is.
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Pretty crazy. For a guy like Carey, you'd imagine he has a sense of what his timed speed is. And if not, then he obviously should.

But I don't understand why a guy who's that slow at RB/WR would come out early. You risk going undrafted this year - why not get your degree so you have something to fall back on and just go through the process next year?

I get that school isn't for everyone, but still.
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If you're a 4.7 RB, another year of eligibility isn't going to change that. If you have pro aspirations at RB and you're graded as a draftable prospect, I think you should leave after 3 years.

Every RB only has so many carries in their body before they start breaking down.

As for Carey working out at WR, when you're that slow it can really help your draft stock if teams believe you can catch the hell out of the ball as a RB.

If all Carey could do is run the football and had stone hands, he'd risk being a 6th-7th rounder.
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If you're a 4.7 RB, another year of eligibility isn't going to change that. If you have pro aspirations at RB and you're graded as a draftable prospect, I think you should leave after 3 years.

Every RB only has so many carries in their body before they start breaking down.

As for Carey working out at WR, when you're that slow it can really help your draft stock if teams believe you can catch the hell out of the ball as a RB.

If all Carey could do is run the football and had stone hands, he'd risk being a 6th-7th rounder.
I suppose that's assuming he's going to get drafted as a 4.7 guy. Definitely a gamble. My post was assuming there's a decent chance he goes undrafted running times like that. We've certainly seen things like that happen in the past.
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Borland is too limited athletically. He is one of the those 2 down LB and thumper style that is a dieing breed in the NFL because the way the passing game has evolved. If any team is asking him to be more then that they will be burned hard.
I agree, this is pretty well what he is and he just might have problems in a 4-3 defense where he has to cover more space, more suited to a 3-4.
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Stanley Jean Baptiste got his 40 under 4.5 which of course was expected as pro day times usually are faster than combine. Even if you go with the mid 4.5 times he's still an excellant athlete as evidenced by his broad jump and vertical. Would fit in that Richard Sherman mold pretty well.

Taylor Martinez showed he's a 4.4 guy. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a shot at WR.
Baptiste has a lot to improve upon. Keith McGill is a better "Richard Sherman" candidate then Baptiste, IMO. SJB hasn't shown very good ball skills and rarely turns his head in coverage, just very raw.
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I am actually more intrigued by the thought of Carey as a slot receiver than as a running back. There are several offenses that would line up a running back in the slot and let him get YAC on short passes.
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Since babylon was asking earlier...

Shazier ran a sub 4.4 at 237 lbs

Looks jacked... Sure that's all natural ;)

Notes about the other players in the link as well.
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Since babylon was asking earlier...

Shazier ran a sub 4.4 at 237 lbs

Looks jacked... Sure that's all natural ;)

Notes about the other players in the link as well.
LOL. Looks like he's put on 15-18# of pure muscle since the end of the season, but didn't lose any speed and maybe got faster.
Must be one helluva bulk program.

He's still IMO a 43 OLB.
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LOL. Looks like he's put on 15-18# of pure muscle since the end of the season, but didn't lose any speed and maybe got faster.
Must be one helluva bulk program.

He's still IMO a 43 OLB.
Impressive. I think he is maxed out on size. I agree that he is limited to a 4-3 olb, maybe weak side linebacker at that.
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