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Old 03-07-2014, 06:39 PM    (permalink
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Jimmie Ward did enough for me to keep him as my top safety. I figured he was a low-to-mid 4.5's guy, which his 4.46 translates to, and that's plenty good for a guy with his angles, instincts, quickness, and ball skills.

Not to mention, he's great tackler and big hitter when he needs to be. Very instinctive and cerebral. Probably my favorite player in the draft.
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6'1" 240 4.4 40

Those are Willis, Bowman measureables.
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Impressive. I think (Shazier) is maxed out on size. I agree that he is limited to a 4-3 olb, maybe weak side linebacker at that.
I think he's pretty limited, too. He's just not very strong in run support or at the point of attack. Some team will probably fall in love with his numbers and draft him high, but I see him as purely a chase linebacker and someone that teams are going to try and run at.
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He'll slim back down when NFL testing is forced on him routinely.
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At least Willis.
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I think he's pretty limited, too. He's just not very strong in run support or at the point of attack. Some team will probably fall in love with his numbers and draft him high, but I see him as purely a chase linebacker and someone that teams are going to try and run at.
Well, his weight is up to 237 lbs. and he ran when you average the 2 runs out, a 4.38 40, that is good enough for me to state, he'll be no worse than a middle of the pack 1st rounder 15-22 range. With that kind of speed, it will be like having another 237 lbs. CB on the field. If a 3-4 team drafts him as a rush LB, his speed could be a real weapon.
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I'd love to see a link to that. In looking, I see plenty of articles where Ryan Leaf basically told the Colts to draft Manning because he didn't want to live in Indianapolis. I also remember Eli Manning being a ***** about playing for the Chargers and forcing the trade to NYG.
the whole Eli to NY was his dad's idea. Archie had knowledge that the Chargers were a poorly run organization as far as the gm and owner, and did not want his son to wind up in any situation remotely similar to what Archie had to do with the Saints, although the Saints were horrible. Every time they got a decent player to support Archie on offense they traded him away. Its not like the Chargers got rid of Brees, Sproles, then were dumb enough to pick up Meachem, who wound up having more success (although limited 2nd time around) with the Saints.
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Well, his weight is up to 237 lbs. and he ran when you average the 2 runs out, a 4.38 40, that is good enough for me to state, he'll be no worse than a middle of the pack 1st rounder 15-22 range. With that kind of speed, it will be like having another 237 lbs. CB on the field. If a 3-4 team drafts him as a rush LB, his speed could be a real weapon.
I think Shazier is a top 25 pick minimum.

With so many pass heavy offenses today in the NFL, cover LBs who can run with TEs, RBs and slot WRs are worth more than gold. It frees up the safeties to cover deep.

I have no idea what kind of pass rusher he is, but Shazier's value being able to cover so much ground sideline to sideline AND endzone to endzone is a rare skillset for most LBs.

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Wahh...wahhhh...waaaaahhhhhh...false.
I agree, there are guys like Spikes, Burfict, Laurinitis, Paul Poz, Chad Greenway who seem to be doing fine in the NFL.

BTW, what do people think of Jordan Tripp from Montana? He was very cocky

"I dont want to sound arrogant, but I believe that Im the most versatile linebacker in this draft, Tripp told FOXSports.com in a telephone interview on Tuesday. I believe I can run and cover better than any linebacker in this draft.

said he would be a first rounder if he had played at Alabama or Texas. Kind of had a Clay Matthews growth spurt, was under 200 and around 6 ft or under , grew a few inches in college and added 60 pounds. I thought he did well post season. Paul Worrilow kind of came out of nowhere from a small school this year to be a top guy in tackles, like top 12, and I don't think he started until like the 5th game. Played at Delaware.
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I'd rather have a slow RB than a slow WR personally.
well I think Davone Bess has similar speed and he has managed to carve out a nice role in the NFL, I think it was a 4.64 that he ran, at 5'10 190something? although he actual experience at wide receiver.

so much for his prediction of : "The Arizona running back thinks he's a mix between Adrian Peterson and LeSean McCoy."

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[quote=batsandgats;3585770]well I think Davone Bess has similar speed and he has managed to carve out a nice role in the NFL, I think it was a 4.64 that he ran, at 5'10 190something? although he actual experience at wide receiver.

Pretty mediocre role on a fairly mediocre team, if you ask me.
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well I think Davone Bess has similar speed and he has managed to carve out a nice role in the NFL, I think it was a 4.64 that he ran, at 5'10 190something? although he actual experience at wide receiver.

Pretty mediocre role on a fairly mediocre team, if you ask me.
well he averaged 64 catches per year and a little under 700 yards for Miami as a 3rd wideout, not every team uses their slot receiver like the Patriots, btw Welker had like 67 catches his year with the Dolphins and yardage about what Bess's career average was there with the Dolphins, except Welker put up the most all purpose stats his first 3 years, 2nd to Gale Sayers. Welker didn't even gain 1k with the Broncos although he would have had a shot if it weren't for the two concussions.

I didn't watch him last year with the Browns so I can't comment.
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Blake Annen, TE, Cincinnati. 6'4/247#.....ran a 4.41 and 4.42 at the Bearcats pro day. Um, anybody remember seeing this guy play??

Can he catch just a little bit??(Wish he played LB).
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Ohio State’s pro day Friday drew probably the largest group of NFL scouts and personnel since 2004. There were 31 teams there, and I’m willing to bet that the one team that was not spotted, the Redskins, probably had a guy there, too.

There were general managers — Pittsburgh’s Kevin Colbert, Buffalo’s Doug Whaley and the Jets’ John Idzik among them — as well as head coaches, offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators. Rob Chudzinski, a former head coach who is now an assistant in Indianapolis, was there. Seven director of player personnels were there, including Duke Tobin of the Bengals and Rick Reiprish of the Saints.

There must have been at least 50 coaches overall who were present for what was essentially a mini-NFL convention.

The last pro day that I could remember being bigger was Miami’s back in 2004. That might have been the last year in which Miami, in an attempt to make its pro day a more special event, would tell its players not to work out at the NFL combine so that they could all perform at the school’s pro day the following Saturday.

To make the event even more grand, Miami would run its pro day in conjunction with something it called Junior Day, when nearly 2,000 kids from all over the state would visit the football program. Imagine how impressed you would be if you were one of those kids touring Miami on that day and saw all 32 NFL teams, maybe six or seven NFL coaches, as well as several coordinators and even team owners.

That’s what Ohio State’s pro day was like today.

A total of 15 players worked out Friday, plus two guys from other schools, and conditions were ideal. Here’s a list of notable names:

Ryan Shazier, LB: Shazier ran the 40-yard dash once, and the times that were recorded varied, with a high of 4.41 seconds to a low of 4.35. Averaging out the best and the worst times, I’d give him a time of 4.38 seconds. Shazier pulled up at the end of his run with what was initially thought to be a left hamstring pull, but it was later changed to a strain, which isn’t as bad as we originally thought.

An interesting side note about Shazier and his training habits: He’s very careful about what he eats. I’m told he takes a picture of every one of his meals and sends it to his performance trainer, Mickey Marotti, because he wants to make sure that he’s eating correctly.

Jack Mewhort, OL: Mewhort (6-6, 315 pounds) kept all of his numbers from the combine. His workout Friday was very good, and he continued to show that he’s a good knee bender and waist bender, which is important if you want to be a good offensive lineman. Plenty of offensive line coaches were on hand, and Mewhort was worked out by a bunch of them. The consensus is that he’ll be a very good NFL guard.

Bradley Roby, CB: Roby (5-11, 195 pounds) kept everything he did at the combine, except for one thing: He ran the 3-cone drill in 6.78 seconds. He moves really well and is very good at defending passes that are thrown in front of him; his ball skills are not as good when he has to go back on passes.

Carlos Hyde, RB: Hyde (6-0, 234 pounds) kept everything from the combine. He pulled up with an injury when he ran the 40 at the combine and wasn’t ready to run today, but he’ll do that March 26 (location TBD). Hyde looked outstanding today in his position drills as a running back, and was especially impressive catching the ball.

Corey Brown, WR: Brown (5-11 3/8, 182 pounds) ran once today and posted a 4.50 in the 40. He had a good workout today and will probably be a third-day draft choice.

Corey Linsley, C: Linsley (6-2 3/4, 301 pounds), who was at the combine, posted 40 times of 4.97 and 5.00 today. He also had a broad jump of 8-foot, 11 inches, a short shuttle of 4.58 and a 7.86 3-cone drill. His arms measured at 31 7/8 inches. I think he’ll probably be a third-day pick.

Andrew Norwell, G: Norwell (6-5 3/4, 318 pounds) has 33 5/8-inch arms. He ran the 40 in 5.27 and 5.28 seconds. He had a 28-inch vertical and 8-foot, 9-inch broad jump. He put the bar up 22 times. He’s probably a free agent or a seventh-round pick.

Kenny Guiton, QB: Guiton (6-1 7/8, 204 pounds) was Braxton Miller’s backup at Ohio State but played pretty well in a couple of starts last season. Today he ran the 40 in 4.78 and 4.76 seconds. He did the short shuttle in 4.31, had a 31-inch vertical and a 9-foot, 9-inch broad jump. He looked good and had a lot of poise throwing the ball. I think he’ll probably be a free agent and enter camp as someone’s fourth quarterback.
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I think Shazier is a top 25 pick minimum.

With so many pass heavy offenses today in the NFL, cover LBs who can run with TEs, RBs and slot WRs are worth more than gold. It frees up the safeties to cover deep.

I have no idea what kind of pass rusher he is, but Shazier's value being able to cover so much ground sideline to sideline AND endzone to endzone is a rare skillset for most LBs.

Prototype cover 2 Mike 'backer.
Shazier could go mid first like Bruce Irvin did or maybe drop to the late second. Neither would shock me.
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Shazier could go mid first like Bruce Irvin did or maybe drop to the late second. Neither would shock me.
Because of his pure athleticism, I'd rank Shazier ahead of CJ Mosley, who may be the better LBer from a mental standpoint. That's an assumption, I really don't know.
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Because of his pure athleticism, I'd rank Shazier ahead of CJ Mosley, who may be the better LBer from a mental standpoint. That's an assumption, I really don't know.
I think your assumption is right.

Just not sure who would take Shazier in the top 25. Would definitely be a Pete Carroll type pick but they don't have the need.
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Blake Annen, TE, Cincinnati. 6'4/247#.....ran a 4.41 and 4.42 at the Bearcats pro day. Um, anybody remember seeing this guy play??

Can he catch just a little bit??(Wish he played LB).
Not much of a resume to look at.

As a point of referance I'm pretty sure Connor Barwin ran 4.42 there.
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Not much of a resume to look at.

As a point of referance I'm pretty sure Connor Barwin ran 4.42 there.
Yup. Virtually zero production at Cincinnati. Looks like a PS guy.

Connor Barwin was a freak athlete coming out of Cincinnati. Injuries early in his career with the Texans set back his development.
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I think Shazier is a much better player than Mosley. I got around late to Shazier, but he's a dynamic player. Derrick-Brooks upside. 144 tackles, 23.5 TFL, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles.

Mosley is just solid in my book.
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wow, i didn't realize Shazier had such eye-popping production last year. My first impression of him was so lackluster (I mean, I could see he was fast) that I just didn't spend much time investigating him.
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I think Shazier is a much better player than Mosley. I got around late to Shazier, but he's a dynamic player. Derrick-Brooks upside. 144 tackles, 23.5 TFL, 7 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles.

Mosley is just solid in my book.
Many Rams fans are in love with him now and want him to play on the strong-side for us. He looks like he struggles to get off blocks so I don't see it being a fit unless we were to move James from MLB to SLB, because both Shazier and Ogletree are WLB to me. Am I wrong?
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Many Rams fans are in love with him now and want him to play on the strong-side for us. He looks like he struggles to get off blocks so I don't see it being a fit unless we were to move James from MLB to SLB, because both Shazier and Ogletree are WLB to me. Am I wrong?
I think you're right. Shazier is a WLB all the way. I'd rather move Ogletree to SLB than try to fit Shazier there - not saying that's an ideal option.
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I agree, this is pretty well what he is and he just might have problems in a 4-3 defense where he has to cover more space, more suited to a 3-4.
Yes, but don't you think his itty bitty arms and tiny frame would be a huge detriment in the 3-4 where he would have to take on guards far more frequently?

I like Borland, but as no more than a 3rd round pick. If you swing and miss on Borland in the first or second, people will look back and say, "He's short, he's slow, he's got short little arms, how could you waste a high pick on him?"

He's a good player, but because of his physical limitations (perceived or real) he's going to get seriously knocked down boards. I root for a guy like Borland, but I really don't want my team to have to rely on him...it's a huge jump between the Big 10 and the NFL (it's a huge jump from any conference).
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Blake Annen, TE, Cincinnati. 6'4/247#.....ran a 4.41 and 4.42 at the Bearcats pro day. Um, anybody remember seeing this guy play??

Can he catch just a little bit??(Wish he played LB).
Read somewhere that he had 19 career receptions, 16 this past year.

With his measurables, I would think he gets his name called if he checks out medically and character. David Asberry of the Raiders did far less than he did in college, wasn't as impressive physically (not as big, might have been faster), and he got drafted in round 7 and has managed to stick around for a little while. I think Asberry played at least 3 positions in college and it's possible he's a FB for the Raiders.. I don't know for sure though, that would've required me to watch the Raiders.
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